parse for ps4 users !

[Gilraen]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

[Sove92]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

[Kosmos992k]

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time

I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

[Odett]

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.



I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

[Archaell]

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I think that by now we have estabilished that Chif wants to be the best - to clear the content first.

Have any of the world first groups claimed that they done it without the parser? I totally admit assumption on my part, but I find it highly unlikely.

btw. I would also blame the language barrier for a part of Chif's straightforwardness.

[Odett]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Your have solid points, but you cannot use 4 person content and the Normal mode version of a raid while ignoring everything else (like all the fights I listed above). The DPS required for current 8 person raiding content is much higher than any of the examples you've listed. DPS checks exist in this game, and wiping due to failed DPS checks on current raid content is a very real thing. Once people learn mechanics, there are no deaths, and certain sections of the fight are still not being cleared, or the boss reaches the enrage timer, trust me when I say that things can get very frustrating if you don't have a means of finding out why. Why is it frustrating? Because no one is dying, it seems like you're doing everything you're supposed to, but you keep losing. With a parser, if low DPS is a problem after all this, then you can start working on that and addressing that. Realizing "my damage is a bit low compared to everyone else's" or "all we gotta do now is have this person improve their DPS" can bring positivity to this occurrence, because this knowledge gives you something to work towards and a hope that fixing this problem will net you a victory, instead of the very frustrating "we seem to be doing everything right, yet we keep wiping again and again. What do?".

[Azazua_azura]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .I know ppl afraid from parse because they can't doing good dps and ppl will kick them as some ppl said ... Raiding ppl have parse already, screenshot ppl don't want it , I need answers from SE. if they not addit ,changing for pc ,easy for me .if they addit ineedit ppl who want to improve skills need it .as I said before this parse not lligle but 90% from pc user use it . I want ps4 user have all options same as pc to clear content if the parse not important why raiding ppl use it ????

npot everyone can calculate ration on the fly thats all a parser does. Not all raiders use them, because not all raiders are pc. A good portion of jp players are console and raid on console. I raided in content before the parser wars started back on ff11. Only post wow mmo parse to my understanding because i didn't hear of parser till post WoW.

@whiteroom

And that is absolutely true. People on the pro parse side are forgetting human nature. So i agree with that person as I've been saying that from the start. A fact people continue to undermind.
My stance has been DF exclusion and everyone 1 of the counter points against mine can be summed up as "you're a fear mongering idiot, who has no idea what she is talking about, you're just a troll." Even though what i stated was true. Which has been throught history human nature will use tools given to them to exclude others.

They also act like you NEED parser to play the game (again not true)

@ anc

its not your call to controll how a player can play their character, DF is suppose to be all inclusive, if you want to be exclusionary that is what pf is for.

And i'm sorry but i do have personal experience with the negativity on being exclusionary.
I quit WoW for a number a reasons and often went back to try again, one thing I DISPISE is addon/tool enforcement. I did want to give WoW a solid try because i found the game fun, but pretty much the commuinity kicked me out, tey mass reported me for being called a w-h-0-r-3. And heavily insulted me when i couldn't downlown their required addons, being called lazy at the least i can't repeat what the worstr of it was, All due to the pc was shared across 5 people.

I do not wanna sree that shi in ff14, I don't want people to experience what I was subjected to. I'm autistic ffs, I have a hard enough time in the real would from exclusion, i don't wanna see it in a video game of all places, its completely petty and childish to jump on people who don't meet your rediculous standards.

Shut the f up with the fear mongering finger pointing. ZYou pro parser people ruin perfectly fun games with ur rediculous mindsets. Its all numbers numbers numbers. sry but not all games are about numbers. If you guyts can't figure out a dps check w/o a tool how can you claim to be a gamer ><

Sorry i'm just fking pissed off from the level of immaturity of some people.

Having an exclusive DF is NOT something we need, if other players performance bug you that much, you have issues. Start playing with people of your opinion/mindset and stop forcing your stupid mindset on everyone.

If you need a parser to do a basic mathmatical ratio stop playing a game and go learn ratio calulations cuz that all a fking parser does does the math for you.

@ oddet

shut the f up you are being a dick to kosmos. I read all ur replies all you do is belittle them, stfu already and stop trying to one up kosmos, you act like my ex boyfriend........


@ whiteroom

sirdarts chif drayer i can't spell everyones name. Anc acts like it a bit. Pretty much every pro parser person who replied to me since i said VERY NICELY parser are not needed. I was picked apart, and called a troll. Even thought what I said was the truth, they just don't wanna see it as such. Or rather don't believe it.

You also can't rebuff what you stated, thats contradicting yourself.

this has been what has been (paraphrased)

1) parsers are needed for dps checks
2) anyone against parsers are scared their low dps will be kicked. (stated as all people who don't parse suck)
3) parser figure everything out from rotations to stat waights.
4) parser are needed to improve.
5) anyone against parser is a fear mongering troll
6) parser are not against the ToS


those are stated as facts time and time again. Thing is they are not facts at all, just assumptions/conjecture.

What is fact is human nature, people will set rediculous standards based on personal performance, and exclude anyone who can't reach it, this has been going on fir Eons. Given the tools and ideals people will exclude others. I don't care if people do it in pf. I don't want to see it in DF, and if a parser is put ingame all content will be subjected to it.

And people undermind the reality of that down playing it for their cause (again human nature) or going as far as to say, who cares if people are excluded it forces them to be better.

Thing is you can't force a person to learn, nor should you force your ideals/mindset/playstyle them.

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?