parse for ps4 users !

[WinterLuna]

People getting harrased for their DPS does happen, a lot actually. I entered a Fractal run not long ago and the tank literally told the DRG that his DPS was horrible, that he was completely 'F-wording' up his rotation and was generally just being obnoxious towards him. The DPS was fine and it was a Fractal run. Extremely unnecessary and they kicked the poor guy.

A personal parser would be good but otherwise I can see why SE wouldn't want to add one. Some of the FF community can be pretty harsh.

[Malevicton]

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again, though... This is another "I saw it happen once so obviously it's widespread and caused by parsers" both of which are pretty unfounded. Not to mention it makes me wonder what the drg's rotation was... Not all disagreements, even heated ones, are harassment. Harassment is rapidly becoming a buzzword like elitist or toxic, all three of which now basically refer to "behavior I didn't like to be around."

Assuming the people in your group were really just awful people though, how would a parser have made things worse? "omg your dps is terrible go kill yourself" would've just been "omg your dps is under 300 kill yourself." Obviously neither is good, but why is the latter worse?

So, one more time: How do parsers cause or increase the amounts of negative behavior?

[WinterLuna]

again, though... This is another "I saw it happen once so obviously it's widespread and caused by parsers" both of which are pretty unfounded. Not to mention it makes me wonder what the drg's rotation was... Not all disagreements, even heated ones, are harassment. Harassment is rapidly becoming a buzzword like elitist or toxic, all three of which now basically refer to "behavior I didn't like to be around."

Assuming the people in your group were really just awful people though, how would a parser have made things worse? "omg your dps is terrible go kill yourself" would've just been "omg your dps is under 300 kill yourself." Obviously neither is good, but why is the latter worse?

So, one more time: How do parsers cause or increase the amounts of negative behavior?

How can you assume I've seen it once and am making an assumption? I haven't seen it once. I've seen it time and time again, I just don't have the time to state every example.

The difference is the ability to see a number, and if that number isn't up to their standard. The guy in Fractal literally said 'your DPS numbers aren't good enough for me'. The DRG was clearly a fresh 60 with low level gear. If he wasn't parsing, he wouldn't have known his DPS (or mine) and probably wouldn't have said anything and just got on with the run.

I don't even have to argue against this when the very reason people get banned for using a parser is because they've been reported for harassment. Also, swearing, insulting, and trying to belittle someone is harassment, not a 'disagreement.'

[Malevicton]

How can you assume I've seen it once and am making an assumption? I haven't seen it once. I've seen it time and time again, I just don't have the time to state every example.

The difference is the ability to see a number, and if that number isn't up to their standard. The guy in Fractal literally said 'your DPS numbers aren't good enough for me'. The DRG was clearly a fresh 60 with low level gear. If he wasn't parsing, he wouldn't have known his DPS (or mine) and probably wouldn't have said anything and just got on with the run.

I don't even have to argue against this when the very reason people get banned for using a parser is because they've been reported for harassment.

So why would an official parser change anything? Harassment will still be reportable.

The assumption you were making was that parsing was relevant to the behavior. That those people would not have been rude if parsers were not involved. Why do you think that would be the case?

Insulting is harassment, but pretty minor. Swearing is not harassment. Belittling someone is, but if someone's actually doing terrible then it becomes harder to distinguishing between belittling and describing accurately what they're doing and how they're doing it.

[WinterLuna]

So why would an official parser change anything? Harassment will still be reportable.

The assumption you were making was that parsing was relevant to the behavior. That those people would not have been rude if parsers were not involved. Why do you think that would be the case?

As far as I'm aware, he would have had to tab out and check our DPS before acting that way. He went to the effort of looking at the DPS numbers before telling the DRG that his DPS was bad. I honestly believe that he was just trying to act like the tough guy with the 'you suck, you're getting kicked' because he had some numbers to go by to back him up. If he didn't have those, he probably wouldn't have even noticed.

[Archaell]

the very reason people get banned for using a parser is because they've been reported for harassment. Also, swearing, insulting, and trying to belittle someone is harassment, not a 'disagreement.'

If the players got banned for harassment, wouldn't then players abusing official parser still get banned for harassment?

[WinterLuna]

If the players got banned for harassment, wouldn't then players abusing official parser still get banned for harassment?

It's more of preventing people harassing in the first place, but I guess people have used parsers against the rules for that long that it wouldn't make a difference anyway. I don't really care whether a parser would be implemented but at the same time it's saddening to see people be harrased because their DPS isn't that of a maxed out player.

Edit: by the way, I'm not arguing against the thread. My point was that people do get harrased because of parsers.

[Sapphic]

The guy in Fractal literally said 'your DPS numbers aren't good enough for me'.

And with a parser that DRG would be able to see. With a parser would be able to see if they are pulling close to expected avg numbers for their gear, or just a 3rd of that. If one DPS is pulling 1300 DPS and the other is pulling 300 then anyone who is pulling the second with a little common sense will think "Hmmm, I should be doing more." I would happily give advice to the second DPS to help them improve. Plus they would have instant confirmation that they have improved.

If a parser was added for the PC and PS4 it would not stop you being able to report others, like now, for harrasment.

Question for all the people against parsers:
Why are Tanks and Healers required to do 120% of their job capabilities (= their job + DPS), yet DPS players are babied and can get away with doing less than 50%? Why?

You are wasting your time asking that, it has been asked numerous times in other parser topics and all the anti-parser crowds seem to have a blind spot to that question. Only argument they have is, "because harrasment" based on anecdotal "evidence". Personally I found a more obnoxious form of harrasment over someone saying that your numbers are low is the one who puts in zero effort to the success of the party.

Been MMOing since EQ1 with parsers and without, only time get called up on numbers when I decided to switch to a DPS role. You know what? After looking at the numbers, they were right. So I made an effort and improved. I got into the habit of practicing rotations until I felt comfortable with them, then I would join party content with the confidence that I would be able to contribute adequatly to the success of the run.

There are numerous players, myself included, who are always willing to help players to self improve. There are numerous guides written by players that some insultingly call elitist/hardcore. (pro-tip it is not "casuals" that write all the extensive guides available on the internet).

Theres no I in party and that player putting out 250 DPS when the other DPS is doing 1250 is not a team player. The rest of the team has every right to replace that 250 DPS player, just like the rest of the party has every right to replace a tank who cannot hold aggro or a healer that doesnt heal. Just with a parser that 250 DPS player will know exactly why and then is able to improve until they are no longer getting kicked from parties.

[Yshnal]

So, one more time: How do parsers cause or increase the amounts of negative behavior?

A parser gives morons a tool that makes it easier for them to do what they do best: being morons. Yes, without a parser they will do it with something else, but why make it worse by giving them another way to annoy everyone else? And remember that even if 3/4 of the party members are cool guys/gals (not the case usually, as most people that I find are just the silent and/or passive ones), you just need the other 1/4 of the party to be an a**hole to make your experience worse, preventing you from having fun. Not to mention that only a handful of players know how to properly use and read a parser.

On the other hand, a personal parser to help people improve their rotations is fine. Heck, they could even let you invite your party to the upcoming "testing/learning grounds" that they plan to implement so that you can even test it with more people there if you want.

[Whiteroom]

A parser gives morons a tool that makes it easier for them to do what they do best: being morons. Yes, without a parser they will do it with something else, but why make it worse by giving them another way to annoy everyone else?

Does it really give them another way? Or does it just let them put a number in their already existing rants? Also, what about those times the player being ranted at, can say, "Hey, actually the numbers say you are wrong."