parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

Also (unless they are posting as an alt, then I am very sorry), how much credibility can you give to a person who doesn't have a single DoW/DoM job at 60 and has absolutely zero first-hand experience with the current endgame content?

Ah, once again, people belittling others rather than addressing points made.

This isn't an alt, I don't have any class/job at 60, and I've already stated why that is the case, I don't feel the need to do so again. What you are saying though is really wrong. You don't need a lvl 60 class/job to know about endgame content, or how you can develop a decent skill rotation. It seems many have forgotten that the ARR level cap was 50, and i have 5 classes/jobs at 50. I don't like end-game content in this game, I dislike the stress it induces on tanks and healers. However, I fail to see how my opinions can lack credibility because I don't have a level 60 job/class yet. The day before HW lanched you and I would both have had lvl 50 characters, would my opinion bear any less weight then? No, it wouldn't, so why should it now. You make it sound like something special happens between 50 and 60 that makes someone's opinion about parser use somehow more relevant than another. What a load of rubbish. If knowing how to learn your skills or develope a good rotation is now dependent on being level 60, how did anyone do it?

I've repeated stated I'm not talking about end-game content in any case, so whether I have done any end-game content in this game is irrelevant, of course this isn't my first mmorpg or rpg, and I dare say I've played RPGs in one form or another longer than many forum posters have been alive. Be that as it may, in this discussion and others before it, people have claimed over and over that parsers are necessary to overcome dps check in non-end-game content. I have stated quite a large number of times that I can see a role for such a tool when trying to overcome a specific dps check in end-game content. So I'm really not sure why you wish to harp on about my completion of any end game content, that would be highly relevsnt if I was commenting on end-game specifics, but since I'm not...

Still, thank you so much for switching to ad hominem mode, I do so love character assasination by Lodestone. I always wonder why it is that people switch to attacking me, perhaps it's because they can't argue my points, and so attempting to discredit me is an easier option?

[Archaell]

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I think that by now we have estabilished that Chif wants to be the best - to clear the content first.

Have any of the world first groups claimed that they done it without the parser? I totally admit assumption on my part, but I find it highly unlikely.

btw. I would also blame the language barrier for a part of Chif's straightforwardness.

[Odett]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Your have solid points, but you cannot use 4 person content and the Normal mode version of a raid while ignoring everything else (like all the fights I listed above). The DPS required for current 8 person raiding content is much higher than any of the examples you've listed. DPS checks exist in this game, and wiping due to failed DPS checks on current raid content is a very real thing. Once people learn mechanics, there are no deaths, and certain sections of the fight are still not being cleared, or the boss reaches the enrage timer, trust me when I say that things can get very frustrating if you don't have a means of finding out why. Why is it frustrating? Because no one is dying, it seems like you're doing everything you're supposed to, but you keep losing. With a parser, if low DPS is a problem after all this, then you can start working on that and addressing that. Realizing "my damage is a bit low compared to everyone else's" or "all we gotta do now is have this person improve their DPS" can bring positivity to this occurrence, because this knowledge gives you something to work towards and a hope that fixing this problem will net you a victory, instead of the very frustrating "we seem to be doing everything right, yet we keep wiping again and again. What do?".