parse for ps4 users !

[Chif]

Why would he ever answer here. No one from SE will be would ever give a response in a thread like this. All this can possibly be is feedback. If they decide to add one, you will hear of it in a live letter or something like that.

Yep from live litter.

[Whiteroom]

Yep from live litter.

Well, it will most likey be a while for anything. I wouldn't be surprised if it was late 3 early 4 before we even heard anything. And thats if they decide to do something. Most likely more silence if not.

[Azazua_azura]

actually I'm picking apart people aurguments with facts, and they can't factually say the things they do
1) assumpoing all good players parse or have a parse buddy
2) all ppl who down dontent is parsing in some or fasion
These are assumptions
as i stated it doesn't takew much fir people to want to exclude others, and some people do infact bitch people out for low numbers in df content. I Fc i was in, did just that.

Just because ot isn't as widespread at the moment doesn't mean it will happen. I seen people kicked for the most petty of reasons, I've been kicked for the most petty of reasons, I wouldn't put it past people to kick over parser data if one is adde, honestly people would do it now if parse wasn't a bannable offence.

Also people acting like you have to parse or fail in this game are nuts, I'm sorry if that is rude, but stating you need a parse to do any content its nuts. (and false)

idm debating, but going up to someone and say they are flat out wrong, or make assumptions they don't know what they talking about it a bit rude.

And again acting like having a parser is the second coming of jesus is just nuts. And yes a few people here are acting like that.

No one is depriving anyone anything all the info a parse gives you is visible to anyone just not in parse form.

And saying that people that do kick people out for playing poorly in their eyes, is a bit of an assumption.You can't factually say these people are the majority or minority. I was simply saying they do infact exist, and last thing id want or we need is the DF sysytem being used as the party finder system and excluding players, we already getting enough of that already we don't need to add more.

[Archaell]

If I may ask, what is wrong about people bitching about low numbers in DF?

Clearly if dps was good they would have nothing to bitch about. They are doing it only because somebody is watching Neflix while cuddling their cat.

[Kallera]

If I may ask, what is wrong about people bitching about low numbers in DF?

Clearly if dps was good they would have nothing to bitch about. They are doing it only because somebody is watching Neflix while cuddling their cat.

the assumption being that the accused is wrong. How does the player find out the liars? Would you have to make a thread in the forums? Report to a gm and hope "we were speedrunning" isn't a viable defense? Maybe the missed trick attack did justify whatever tongue lashing you received? Who can say?

[Archaell]

the assumption being that the accused is wrong. How does the player find out the liars? Would you have to make a thread in the forums?

Look at it from this perspective:

When somebody is harassing you for low numbers you have several options to fix it. 1. Git gud or do your best if you are not being entirely focused. 2. Report them for harassment.

When somebody is willingly under-performing... you can't as easily fix it. Which means that you have to carry them through the content sweating your butt while doing their job - unless it is somebody extremely obvious or afking.

I would suggest a little experiment. Create 5 button macro and try to do few DF runs. During this time observe how many times you get called out and how many times you get kicked.

[MentheusDreyar]

actually I'm picking apart people aurguments with facts, and they can't factually say the things they do
1) assumpoing all good players parse or have a parse buddy
2) all ppl who down dontent is parsing in some or fasion
These are assumptions

No idea who this post is direct at? im gonna assume me? Maybe snip some quotes anyway...

And you continue to prove my assumption in my previous comment to be correct...

First off, you are not arguing with facts you are arguing with YOUR assumptions. Unless you play big brother to every single player you can't prove that neither of things are untrue, and apart from a select few no one pro parser is arguing those points anyway, so your post reeks of desperation to attempt to defend your flawed logic from something people aren't even claiming in the first place. Hell i can't even remember you making one factual point in any of your previous posts, which seems to be a common flaw in arguments against parsers, all assumptions and NO facts. Because that's all you have vs the many pro-parser facts many have been presented throughout the different threads. That seemingly go ignored.

Yes people will bitch and moan, and they have a right too, hell i have people doing it almost 24/7 in my many linkshell's and guess what? No one is getting kicked. This includes me.

Let me clear something up, parsing isn't bannable, abusing other players with it is. Removing others holding back the group from completing content is NOT abuse, it is a group decision to remove someone stopping completion, you can say what you want, but as long as we have a justified reason we can remove people with or without a parser. Heck i've been completely open about using a parser and told a guy he isn't performing enough and we have to remove him, guess what? I'm still waiting for my ban Harassment and abuse is clear to see. Removing a problematic group member is justified and won't result in a ban. Which is probably about 95% of all vote kicks.

Also people acting like you have to parse or fail in this game are nuts, I'm sorry if that is rude, but stating you need a parse to do any content its nuts. (and false)

Are you actually reading this thread? or the many others? practically no one is claiming that!! Stop trying to take 1 or 2 people's comments way out of proportion to fuel your blatant fearmongering. All it's doing to making you look more like an idiot and less people are listening to you.

No one is depriving anyone anything all the info a parse gives you is visible to anyone just not in parse form.

Yes by all means track the individual DPS of each party member, their average DPS, crit rate, misses, healing output, incoming/outgoing damage from that non-intelligible spam fest that is the battle log, all while performing your job in any meaningful degree as well as fight mechanics. Seriously? Do you actually listen to your self? Unless you have a computer processor for a brain you won't even be able to calculate any meaningful DPS while you're performing it, let alone your parties. And yes DPS not "damage" the only relevant damage in the game is damage per second.

The data in the battle log is practically useless in any given situation where the data is relevant without a parser because you simply cannot mentally keep up with the calculations needed especially while performing other tasks. Period

and last thing id want or we need is the DF sysytem being used as the party finder system and excluding players, we already getting enough of that already we don't need to add more.

Still sticking with the baseless fearmongering eh? Even though surveys and studies and have shown the exact opposite after the introduction of a parser? And that there is no correlation between harassment and parsers? And unlike your assumptions these are facts.

Honestly the more you post the more it appears you are very naive, ignorant or a troll, take your pick

After 2 years playing this game I've seen the behavior you keep describing ONCE OR TWICE, and the same goes for EVERY OTHER MMO i've played, the fact that you keep suggesting every single MMO you've ever played is a cesspool of toxicity leads me to only one conclusion. Ever considered you are actually the problem here? You're the only common factor to what is allegedly the problem with the "general community" in those games in your opinion when literally no one else is supporting your claims.

Either way at this point im not taking anything you say seriously anymore. Just endless baseless, ignorant fearmongering....

[Malevicton]

Yeah you don't need parsers for rotations, you can just math out potency per second for that. But how well you can apply the rotation in a real situations needs a parser, and parsers are still pretty handy as a testing tool for rotation theorycrafting. Not necessary, but very handy.

Worth noting however that stat weights take parsing data and simulators to figure out. No parsers = no stat weights.

[kazeandi]

Just reading this forum should give one an idea why a parser might support antisocial behavior.

[Azazua_azura]

@ drayer
Parser is a third party tool, third party tools are against the ToS. Parser use is currently Under a Don't ASK, Don't TELL.

Anyone one person here can be reported on for third party tool use if they claim to use a parser. Which yes its a bannable offence.
The fact you say that alone Its not, is funny when infact it is.

And i read all your posts in full, you come off like parser did everthing in this game from, factoring the best players, best combos, stat waights. This being on ps3 and ps4 prevents that from being factually true, if this was pc only then that would hold water.

Was what I said suppose to represent harrassment? nope just exclusion. Which is what I was presenting I don't think any of my posts said anything about harrassment.
I don't want a ingame parser to give the community tools, use it in DF content and exclude players, more so new players from getting things done. Which will happen. That isn't fear mongering, nor is it baseless. Its basic human nature.

If you give people the tools and the numbers They will use it to judge players and exclude players in PF (non-issue) and DF (the issue). This game is already starting to have a less new player friendly community, adding an ingame parser would make it more so. And you can't report it as it falls under the "Difference in playstyle".

And no I'm not trolling, nor fear mongering just don't want to see the DF system to become some exclusive club. And not having a parser isn't punishing anyone.
And please stop using terms minority and majority as these terms have no facts either way in any case or point of view.

And your posts do come off that having a parser is make or break, that not having one is bad. The only thing i see from the parser argument is you guys don't like the anti-parser views and believe the only reason we don't want one is so people see our "shoddy dps numbers". Which isn't true at least for me.

You also believe one can't improve with out a parser, which again isn't factually true.

I have yet to see anything resembaling a fact, just conjecture.