parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

You're failing to take into account that at least one person from of those teams was almost certainly

Only 'almost'? So, you didn't talk to every team that downed turn 5 to tell if they used a parser? So, in that case, post proof or retract your claim.

parsing when the content was new given the odds virtually all statics have at least 1 PC player. Once the world firsts and those following within the month had come in and basically told everyone what to do chances are less, but generally statics do have one person parsing if one is available.

I see, it's pure assumption on your part? Oh, I wasn't talking about world or server first, just the act of clearing turn 5 before it went all duty finder on us.

Not necessary no, but an indispensable tool to find out where you stand and help fine tune your level of play, don't forget where all the optimal rotations everyone uses come from, parsers and yes these rotations are considered "playing well"

Optimal rotations come from theorycrafting and practice, it's kind of sad to me that the only way you seem to be able to believe players can develope skill and good skill rotations is to listen to a parser.

Specific uses for only end game content? yeah.... try any kind of trial that has a form on DPS check when it's new, for example Bismark HM and EX for many players. Can't see where a parser is helpful there? or would you rather bang your head pointlessly against a wall with little progress rather than use a tool to help you find out whats wrong in detail?

No offense, but I said; "I can see that if there is a specific dps check in a specific piece of end game content, a parser is a tool that would help identify specific things that the team could do to improve their collective dps, but that is a specific circumstance." Doesn't that say that I can see where people might find it useful? So what's your beef.

Yes because all content that involves a DPS check is standing still hitting a dummy primal/<insert enemy of your choice> with no form of mechanics or need to move...

Hint that's sarcasm If you really believe that you are very naive or ignorant.

No, really? Sarcasm? I never would have guessed, I'm so glad you told me, or else I might have taken offence at your implied insult of ignorance. But hey, I'll let it go fornow. Tell me something. If you parse the same fight twice with different players and jobs, does it look the same? Given the different parameters of each fight I don't see how it can. The point being that to prefect a rotation, you don't need to be dodging mechanics that interrupt combos or positionals. Frankly with all the movement and dodging yourperfect rotation isn't happening, you have to adapt tocircumstance, and that requires learning through experience. A parser won't teach you that. Learning a proper rotation doesn't require a parser either. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

[ShanaShirayuki]

Learning a proper rotation doesn't require a parser either. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

Proper rotations came from parsing. All these guides you read, all these video guides you watch, all these threads or posts on how to DPS, all of them have a root in parsing. Sure trial and error as well as experience come into play with these guides, but parsing is just as valuable as the aforementioned, since knowing when your abilities will do the highest amount of DPS is key against enrage/DPS checks. Also you mentioned theorycrafting earlier, which is all about numbers... which a parser is all about.

[MentheusDreyar]

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And what part of those examples involve parsers? None.

That would of happened with or without one, so your whole point is people are dicks? Yeah so what? That's nothing new. But depriving people of an incredibly useful tool because of those minority is selfish.

Those who abuse people now will abuse them regardless, and most of the time it's those poor players that are doing it. If nothing else you can use the parser to defend yourself and others.

If you actually stop your fearmongering for 1 min and take the time to look at anything the pro-parser crowd are saying you'd find the benefits greatly outweigh the negatives. And most of the negatives are happening now, even without a parser, so realistically nothing will change in regards to the abuse/harassment of other players. Which is still report-able!!!

Once a tool is put in people will use it, and they will infact exclude new players for not parsing high. Which is the last thing we need in DF. This games community is already becoming less and less new player friendly.

Just because some raiders don't care or parse df content, doesn't mean that is how the general community is.

I like how you try to pass off your opinion as fact, it's laughable really.

The games community is slowly becoming less tolerant of BAD players, not adequate, not mediocre, BAD which is well within reason as these players are ruining the experience for everyone else. Maybe you should stop thinking so pathetically low of the community in general? 90% of people won't give a damn if you're parsing a little low, as long as content is getting done and you aren't making others work too hard to pick up your slack.

To turn your quote back on you: (and i'll even put it in bold for you)
Just because some people are jerks and abuse people doesn't mean that is how the general community is.

Honestly the more you post the more i get the feeling you're incredibly opinionated to the point you'll ignore everything else put in front of you because you think you're undeniably wrong.

I mean no offense by this, but that is just how you are coming off to me.

Please do get your fact straight as you make wild assumptions that are not facts.

Ermmm... ditto to you

[Sapphic]

To start with and to remind. I am Pro Parser.

The only viable reason I can see for not adding an official parser yet is they would not be able to add it for the PS3, because, you know, limitations. Us Pc users have or have access to an unofficial parser, key word is unofficial. By adding one which would be PC and PS4 only it would segregate teh PS3 users from the rest.

Albeit, when they do add mod support as they promised, one of the first things, pretty much guaranteed, to be created for it will be a parser. So we will get one whether players want it or not.

Even so there won't be a stop on the ability to report douchbaggery, whether thats with a parser or not.

[Kallera]

There isn't going to be a console developed parser that won't be outdone by a PC developed parser eventually. It will cause the problem of scaling difficulty, as now the assumptions will be made of the performance of people that have access to whichever parser is updated for the latest content and creeping features developed by the PC fanbase. This can be far away from anything SE develops officially, and end up putting console players back in the same boat.

[MentheusDreyar]

There isn't going to be a console developed parser that won't be outdone by a PC developed parser eventually. It will cause the problem of scaling difficulty, as now the assumptions will be made of the performance of people that have access to whichever parser is updated for the latest content and creeping features developed by the PC fanbase. This can be far away from anything SE develops officially, and end up putting console players back in the same boat.

While we might have superior tools within the parser for PC, such as real time telegraphing of data that happened during the fight, the core functionality which is essentially a glorified calculator will remain exactly the same which is all we really need in most cases for the general player base. Everything else is icing on the cake for the min/maxers and technical people. As long as the core functionality is updated nothing else really matters too much.

So i don't get what you mean by scaling difficulty? Might be the way you worded it for my sleep deprived brain

Assuming you mean scaling difficulty of new content based on parsers, no it won't SE will continue to design content based on their decisions as they have always done. AKA Lv + ilv and whatever they deem suitable as an average DPS for that combination. A parser won't affect that as they do their own internal testing and likely won't change their method from what they do now.

If i'm wrong please elaborate on that

[Kallera]

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If i'm wrong please elaborate on that

What I'm saying is that in order to provide a lasting challenge to the min maxers, SE made content that was..problematic, as in its been breaking the audience it was designed for. Some believe it had to do with Lucrezia's fast performance on FCOB and not wanting a repeat.

In no way am i blaming the players, my concern is on SE's design of boss fights, which would change if player knowledge of fight statistics is now a factor. If said min/maxers are using methods that result in higher numbers, they are likely using strategies the rest of the playerbase is not using in their own content. So if someone wants to maintain interest in their meticulously designed raids, wouldn't they need to design fights that force said raiding strategies and resources upon non-raiders?

I get that people are saying that no one cares about the average dps doing his ex roulette, does his dps, and leaves without fanfare and comms. But thaere is nothing certain that this is going to last if parsers(and the critical discussion using them) get lifted. A DF when each run is as a race is going to be a lot more stressful an experience than what we have now.

[Chif]

Waiting answers from Yoshi-P. Support parse for ps4 pls .

[Gilraen]

Waiting answers from Yoshi-P. Support parse for ps4 pls .

Then you're going to be waiting a very long time. The only people that have responded to threads like these have been GMs and moderators, and only then it's been to detail the legality of third party software.

[Whiteroom]

Waiting answers from Yoshi-P. Support parse for ps4 pls .

Why would he ever answer here. No one from SE will be would ever give a response in a thread like this. All this can possibly be is feedback. If they decide to add one, you will hear of it in a live letter or something like that.