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    Player Chif's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingatlas View Post
    . Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
    You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

    What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.
    You know when I see you character is galaka and your main is blm this is more than enough for me to know that is your dps is low .
    too much talking with you is wasting for time . With out parse you can't make your rotation ppl on YouTube have parse and they are making rotation any time they want , some time SE increaseing potency for some skills or change some skills if you still doing what are you watched before that's mean you're losing dps because your doing what are ppl doing before new update if you have parse you can make your rotation any time and what are you comfortable with . Can you tell me why you don't make you rotation? You said go dps board and ppl talking this answers for "fail ppl" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    You know when I see you character is galaka and your main is blm this is more than enough for me to know that is your dps is low .
    Let it be known that I fully support parsers for the PS4 but I absolutely do not agree with the TC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    You know when I see you character is galaka and your main is blm this is more than enough for me to know that is your dps is low .
    That line, with all due respect, shows your ignorance of the differences between FFXI and FFXIV.

    For a start, there is no Galka in 14 ^_^

    For the main point. Racial differences in stats is so small between races in 14 that it is nigh innoticeable in performance. Even in XI, in the early days, yes it made a difference as the numbers where small. Yet with seekers and the gear have bigger and bigger numbers the difference between races became less and less valid.

    The difference between a Lalafell caster and a Ro caser is, when same geared and same level is unnoticeable at max level. It only has a very minor difference whilst levelling early and numbers are smaller.

    But calling out a Ro caster as being obviously low DPS because of their race choice is, as I've stated before, ignorance of FF14.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 10-14-2015 at 08:54 PM.

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    Player Chif's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    That line, with all due respect, shows your ignorance of the differences between FFXI and FFXIV.
    For the main point. Racial differences in stats is so small between races in 14 that it is nigh innoticeable in performance. Even in XI, in the early days, yes it made a difference as the numbers

    The difference between a Lalafell caster and a Ro caser is, when same geared and same level is unnoticeable at max level. It only has a very minor difference whilst levelling early and numbers are smaller.

    But calling out a Ro caster as being obviously low DPS because of their race choice is, as I've stated before, ignorance of FF14.
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    No, it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    ...He's a Hellsguard Roe. Their stats aren't even that bad for casters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    No... you didn't 'answers hes questions' because he didn't pose one, he GAVE an answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingatlas View Post
    You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
    You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

    What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.
    I'm done with the parser 'debate' because there's been excellent posts to that in both of the currently running threads...
    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I understand that, but that's not what my point was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Well that's very easy to break down
    ...but saying 1-2 point stat differences equals 1% is a gross misunderstanding of the game. They purposely designed the stats and the classes so that there is no ideal build. You can be a roegadyn thaumaturge all day long and still be hitting as hard as a lalafell thaumaturge if you've kept your gear current. 1-2 points is nothing compared to grand totals in the 900-1000 range. If anything, all your 'answers' does is illustrate just how much you don't know about the game you're purporting to be an expert at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    There is a maximum of 6 points difference between races. In an extremely rare situation, if all 8 people are the worst racial choice for their job, this is 48 main stat point differences, probably around 60 dps difference as a raid. I'm sure there are situations where 50 or 60 more raid dps would be the difference in wipe or clear, however, content is not tuned so tightly as to take racial stats into account. SE has stated as such, they want us to be the races we want to be without it being detrimental. In short, blaming racial stats for sub 1% wipe is pretty damn low.
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 10-14-2015 at 11:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingatlas View Post
    You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
    You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

    What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.
    Reading guides on rotation suggestions doesn't tell you anything about how you're actually performing in real time in a dungeon/raid setting.

    Researching and collecting information is one thing, putting it into practice is something else entirely. There are also quite a few fights that require adjustments to your rotation or rely on adapting to situations - all different from what you typically see on "how to play x" guides.

    It also doesn't help you if you're not the one who's underperforming. You could be the best player in the world but that won't help you much if someone else decides to ignore half of their rotation.
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    Last edited by Avidria; 10-15-2015 at 12:52 AM.

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    Zyxt Fair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    Reading guides on rotation suggestions doesn't tell you anything about how you're actually performing in real time in a dungeon/raid setting.

    Researching and collecting information is one thing, putting it into practice is something else entirely. There are also quite a few fights that require adjustments to your rotation or rely on adapting to situations - all different from what you typically see on "how to play x" guides.
    One of the reasons why I'm baffled at why they're going for a half-assed "solution" by going for the Dummy Parser is a very close variation to this.

    Let's take for example a BLM fully decked out in Esoterics Gear who can do a whopping 1.5k DPS on a dummy.

    Now the BLM goes into a dungeon and gets called out by someone using a 3rd party parser which shows that the BLM is underperforming (whether on purpose or because they aren't used to the fight).

    BLM goes on to quote Dummy Parse numbers which are pretty irrelevant to the situation at hand in which the damage the BLM is dealing might not be as high as he thinks it could be.

    The difference between a good dps and an exceptional one is being able to dish out the same or close to the same amount of DPS as their Dummy Parses when they are doing mechanics/dodging.

    A dummy parser alone will not be able to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    There is no official parser for PC or Playstation so asking for the same treatment for PS4 players isn't accurate. Those using 3rd party software are technically breaking the TOS. I'm all for personal parsers and for the option to opt out of a group parser if that is the choice of the individual.
    Haven't seen anyone banned ONLY for having used a parser. Have seen many banned for HARASSMENT though.
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    Last edited by OPneedNerfs; 10-15-2015 at 01:14 AM.

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