parse for ps4 users !

[XiXiQ]

If you use ANYTHING to harass people, you will likely get pinged for it.
A parser does NOT change this.

no it doesn't. If you want SE to take parsers seriously, then you need to take into consideration the feelings of those who do not wish to use them, or to telegraph the information to others. The simple fact is, if people were comfortable with that idea, there'd be no opposition to any kind of parsers - yet there obviously is.

Compromise is the sensible solution.

[MentheusDreyar]

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

If you wish to join a group and share, that's fine. people co-operating in this manner are hardly going to be reporting each other for DPS meter infringements.

But just as it is now, if you start using those numbers to harass people you've never met in DF, expect to get pinged for it.

Ermm no, because players "numbers" are in the battle log, they are technically there to be seen by anyone all a parser does is save us shifting through pages upon pages and doing manual calculations. The ONLY rule SE have is you can't abuse people, not that your number and contribution should be private. In ANY group situation withholding information necessary to the group is harassment if it is preventing your group from completing whatever they are doing. Calling out players that are clearly holding back the group is not harassment, at worst its criticism. It only becomes harassment in their eyes when they are removed for not being willing to contribute to the group which is their own problem. If they aren't going to play as a team they shouldn't be their in the first place. Period

And when a group fails a DPS and those unwilling to show their numbers refuse too, they WILL be kicked, or the group will just disband because there will be no solution to the problem if no one is willing to show their contribution unless someone is running an 3rd party parser where we can see which player is letting the group down. It is in the party's right to remove those responsible for failed runs if they are not willing to cooperate.

[XiXiQ]

they are technically there to be seen by anyone

by anyone with a PC. The information is impossible for any console user to see. You can run no real-time software to parse it, and you cannot access the log files beyond the few hundred lines it shows in history. (if someone knows a way to access this, I'd be interested to know how they do it)

I have nothing against parsers, I use a console so I'd like to see one included. I have no doubt a bunch of PC users I wouldn't know from a bar of soap have seen my numbers many times (and I don't care), yet I am clueless and will remain so until they add this functionality for PS4. If assauging the fears (be they realistic or not) of users who would prefer this didn't happen will get me this functionality and keep them happy, that's fine with me.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

Except the rules don't currently say that. Right now, there's only two rules that effect parsers, and neither of them deal with parsers directly. Those rules are:

1) No third party software.

2) No harassment.

The only reason posting numbers is currently disallowed is because it's proof of you using third party software which can technically get you banned. However, SE tends to turn a blind eye to parsers unless people use those numbers to harass others. Yoshi has stated in the past that they have to be against parser usage simply because it goes against the third party software rule of SE, but it was very clear that he had no problems with parsers themselves.

Quite frankly, parsers are already widely used in this game, we just have this weird setup where we can't talk about them. It would be nice (as a PS4 player myself) to have those numbers accessible regardless of platform and be able to openly talk about them.

For me personally, there isn't a single thing they could add to this game to make me happier than if they added a fully functional parser.

[Chif]

Need solutions ideas to improve our skills and damaged to be expert players doing our jobs perfectly don't need crying ppl who afraid to be kicked cuz they are suck and don't want to practice .as I said before new contents need more dps from all pt healer tank and dps . Parse is the good idea to fix this . We are here to ask SE to addit in 3.1 or asap . When you are doing bad dps in fight this is the harassment .

[Maero]

I support having a PS4 add on for parsing, or a self parser at least so only the user can see.

[kingatlas]

You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.

[sirDarts]

You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.

OMG this argument again.

OK...
HOW are you supposed to know that you are underperforming and need to look up optimal rotations?
How are you supposed to know that you are perfectly able to handle the rotation and a different one wouldn't be better for you?
How are you supposed to know how to change your rotation based on mechanics if you don't know what costs you how much DPS?

[Archaell]

OMG this argument again.

Let me add one more point.

Is there any black list thread which we could read and see which players are "Netflix offenders" so that we can boot them out of the group at the start of run?

I would really read it before each trial fight, just to prevent the frustration from wiping again and again on dps checks.

[Odett]

You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.

You do know that there is no end-all-be-all rotation, correct? Many rotations are situational at best and they are completely dependent on how much HP the enemy you are attacking has. Simply regurgitating information because "someone who knows better told me to" does not give you a firm grasp of your job in any way, shape, or form. Guides are amazing to read and they can help you understand your job much better, but if you had the option to prove that what you are reading in a guide was correct, why would you not take it?

By the way, how do you suppose that the people who made guides about your job arrived at their conclusions, with numbers to back them up?