parse for ps4 users !

[ShanaShirayuki]

I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).

[raelgun]

Also has a note in regards to why we have no VOIP, they say its to protect against a certain demographic of players but however the large reason would be they do not intent to invest money into a built in VOIP service as there are other tools like TS, vent and razercoms that people can use and for free, why compete against them, theres a built in one in WoW too and no one uses it, its a waste of an effort due to competition in the marketplace right now.

[WinterLuna]

To be honest, there's the extremes of both sides, the people saying 'omg nobody gets harassed stop acting like they do' and then the people who are completely againt a parser and use harassment (and only harassment) as their entire argument.

I'm still in the middle, I don't really have an opinion because I know both sides have a point. Yes, parsers are useful, and yes, people are A-holes when using them. I don't care if it's the parser causing them to be like that, if a parser is involved in the harassment report that's what SE are going to see and associate it with.

But when it comes down to it, it's up to Square Enix. They're well aware of the controversy and high demand for a parser. If they want to add one, they will. It's as simple as that. If they don't, then they have their reasons. The masses of arguments on here aren't going to change anything.

[Kiyashi]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

[seekified]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

It really isn't that simple since buying a PC that can comfortably run this game on settings equaling those of a PS4 can cost a lot more than people are willing to spend.

[Cidolfas86]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

You can certainly tell economics or common sense came nowhere near the logic that spit out this post. Building a PC that could run this game @ or near PS4 level certainly isn't as cheap as a PS4.

[Chif]

Content need dps check but we can't know how much we are doing !! Parse telling me if I'm good enough to doing raid or Not so I have to practice . How should I know my dps with out parse ? Ppl saying dungeon and kick with parse no 1 will kick you because you will practice enough doing more damage more skills .ppl looking forward to play with you parse positive thing for ppl who want to improve our skills negative thing for ppl who want to be carried.

[Azazua_azura]

tablet died ; ;

Anyway,

i have a question for parser users or advocates, why do you want them?

My take on it that the use and data provide is inaccurate due to the inconsistency of players.

Also why is it when you make an argument tward those who do want parser, its always "you're lazy" and "you don't know how they work"?

I'm against parser due to player inconsistency,and the fact something user made is prone to it's own inconsistency, errors due to being user made, and poor way to judge if a person is good or not.


Parsers are not hard to figure out, they read the damage the player/party does and present it as an easy to read ratio of how much damage they do in a time frame.

With that said, numbers change from player to player due to a ton of variables, between gear, netspeed, action/reaction time, state point allocation, hotbar/crosshotbar layout, and how much experience they have with content. Also players have good and bad days, based on mood, health or other basic stuff.

How can a player be judged good or bad when that stuff changes from player to player or over the corse of content.

From reading the posts there is 2 sets of groups who want parser

group a) wants parser for self improvement.

group b) want parser to weed out low dps players as a reason for wipes.

I'll speak to group a first.

Why do you guys need a parser to improve? How do you know the numbers are what to shoot for? Who set the bar for a number to reach and how do you know that wasn't a fluke moment (they do happen)

My take with group A stance is you don't need a parser to improve, basic trial an error helps, also does practicing content, and your role. A mix of gear and food also help as well to maximise the stats that benifit your build/class. Tweeking the hotbar/cross hotbar layout to make using skills/buffs timely also will help. If the mobs/bosses are dying faster with your damage (which simple using the hp bar) then you are on the right track. And you should always try to improve.

Not to group b

Why do you guys feel the need to witch hunt a group and point blame to a person for a wipe? How do you know if a player is doing good dps or bad dps? Are you basing that on the players in the group? Or do you have a spread sheet that lists every gear food state allocation combo for every job and what the best dps is for each combo? Also why do you need a parser to make it feel dps are help up to the same standar as healer or tank


First off, it is very rare one person can cause a wipe, people make mistakes with good teamwork these can be worked through with out a wipe. Witch hunting in a group causes tension and hystaria and group morale goes down fast, which causes people to not care and people will wipe for sake of not giving a rats booty if they beat it or not. Also, Dps role is help up to the same standard as a tank and healer. No 1 role is more importent or has more responsibility then the other.

And why do you care so much on someones performance if content is infact being cleared? Why the witch hunt to find the person who is "being carried"?

My take on this is, STOP. It us a video game, thgat is ment for fun, relaxation, and entertainment. As long as content is being completed who cares? The only reason to care is if you are the top 10% of the top 10% of players, and not everyone wants to or can play to that level.

You guys are just as much fault for wipes you have experienced as the supposed "low dps" your witch hunting. Back seat playing someones character is rude, and wrong. If content isn't being completed step yup and communicate on why it isn't being completed, playing the blame game is simply childish as everyone is at fault.

Instead of treating your party as tools, treat them as fellow players. In truth though instead of coming to the forums to force SE to add a parser do this instead. Which is 1 of 3 things.

1) OFFER (not enforce) a player job tips on jobs you play well at. example: "hey i mainly play as <instert job> want any tips or tricks that help out?"

2) communicate a good boss stratagy and OFFER players who haven't done it alot or are fresh tips and tricks about the boss fight. example: "hey this boss does <instert move> you can stun it and keep fighting" or "this boss does <instert move> at <insert hp%> when it gets close be at <insert location>.

3) make friends who are in the same time frame that you play in, who share your experience and ideals and play with them.



Those in this thread advocating for a parser in the way of a complaint that others are not up to their standared are part of the problem, if not the problem. As i said before all job roles are equal and need to work together to beat content. And wipes happen for a lort of different reasons not just "low dps". There is a spectrum of players and play skill, try to play with people of like ideal instead of trying to force others to have your ideal.

And lastly, "low dps" doesn't always mean a person is lazy, plauers could be new to that content and still learning how best to complete it, but all guides and vids have correct or up-to-date info, nor can everyone understand what is being presented, stop up as a gamer and communicate. Blaming a fresh playing saying "watch a vid" makes you part of the problem, never the solution.

[Misutoraru]

I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).

They don't
Underperformance dps either fail the dps check and got wipe or increase work load heavily for other member
Underperformance healer either can't keep up the heal and got wipe or slow down the whole party
Underperformance tank either can't hold aggro and got wipe or increase work load for healer
and this have nothing to do with the reason who against it
Cant persuade ppl against the meter with this reason
ppl against it mainly due to fear of harassment and we all know there will be,
The important key is how to implement the meter so you ppl will be happy but at the sametime minimised the harassment to keep other ppl happy

[seekified]

They don't
Underperformance dps either fail the dps check and got wipe or increase work load heavily for other member
Underperformance healer either can't keep up the heal and got wipe or slow down the whole party
Underperformance tank either can't hold aggro and got wipe or increase work load for healer
and this have nothing to do with the reason who against it
Cant persuade ppl against the meter with this reason
ppl against it mainly due to fear of harassment and we all know there will be,
The important key is how to implement the meter so you ppl will be happy but at the sametime minimised the harassment to keep other ppl happy

The number of places where bad DPS can directly result in a wipe due to mechanics are exceedingly few, though. Fights will take longer, sure, which may or may not indirectly result in a wipe, but a tank who can't tank or a healer who can't heal will result in your party dying in most cases. Damage dealers get away with being bad, not always, but definitely a lot more often than tanks and healers do.