parse for ps4 users !

[Jynx]

NOW! on the real topic YES PS4 NEEDS A PARSER ASAP

Need does not equal want.

People who want to parse pay to play the game.

people who don't want to parse pay to play the game.

Sadly your opinion is no more valid or important than anyone elses here. You can't demand a parser because you "Need" it when the game is designed to be played without it. Parsing is not "Required" for savage progression it's a usefull tool for sure but it does not actually make you play better it's a tool to digest data. Some people can use that data to great effect others may not be able to and improve themselves in other ways. I know it may blow your mind but it is totally possible to beat anything in this game including savage without a parser.

Am I dead set against parsing? Not really but when you attempt to state something as a fact when it clearly is not it's just wrong.

Personal parser for training dummies sure, why not it gives people tools to parse themselvs in a environment of their choosing without unwaranted pressure. If your in a Savage progression group and somehow can't trust your group is doing all they can then you may need to not pick up randoms for such important tasks.

[Chif]

it is totally possible to beat anything in this game including savage without a parser.
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You know any pt clearing any new contents on " time " with out useing parse?

[Jynx]

You know any pt clearing any new contents on " time " with out useing parse?

Of course the world firsts are going to use the path of least resistance and parse. It gives them the data they want faster than without.

Just because it's not usually done, doesn't mean it's impossible. Does the parser running in the background when they finally have the fight down mean anything to the people playing? Not really they know what they need to do and the numbers just support that they are doing things correctly. Would these clears never happen if people didn't parse? That's the real question.

[Whiteroom]

You know any pt clearing any new contents on " time " with out useing parse?

While I do believe any (read: there could be an exception, but I would doubt anything beyond 1%) Savage static who is not fully PS4, are currently using a parser, that you cannot prove it makes your point moot. It is a sad reality for those in favor of pro parser, because any player who admits to it, has the chance of being banned. So while it is generally understood, that arguement means very little here.

That every team clearing content "on time" (I assume you mean before gear that is better than available at the time of release becomes available) cannont be here to vouch for their use, or not use of it, also makes the arguement less valid.

Parsers are conveint no doubt, they are powerfull tools for sure. Are they required?

Nope.

The real arguement has never been if they are required. I'm assuming you realise that.

Saying that they are not required is not an argument against them.

Would the community and game benefit in a more positive than negative manner from thier introduction?

Especially considering SEs fondness of dps checks?

Can SE make new content more challanging at a reasonable pace without their introduction? I believe this is an important one, as I think that as long as the community still has a large portion who can not even do half of their max dps, it hobbles the ability to have progressively more challanging content, and the game will stagnate in the long term.

[Jynx]

The real arguement has never been if they are required. I'm assuming you realise that.

Saying that they are not required is not an argument against them.

It was never meant to be an argument for or against parsers, I was just stating that Ercapote is incorrect in stating they are required. One could argue that WoW that has had such things as Deadly Boss Mods and more types or parses you could shake a stick at had a large community of players who could not do half their max DPS parse or not.

The positives and negatives are interesting on both sides and it's easy to fall onto one side of the fence due to personal preferences. My unabashed apathy for it either way (I don't use them but don't care much if others do) at least gives me the abillity to look from both sides of the fence. If i was to trench myself in a camp I'd probably fall into the anti-parser camp as I feel they don't bring anything positive to the community with their introduction in a general gameplay setting.

I do find it a shame there is alot of cyclical arguments about what is good and what is bad about parsers but there isn't much else to do but to hash out our opinions as best we can and let the developers make the penultimate choice at the end of the day. I will however say the lack of them "Getting around" to the API for modders speaks volumes on their true opinion on the subject. Of course they will stay mum on the subject as long as humanly possible if they ever say anything at all.

[Ercapote]

I do find it a shame there is alot of cyclical arguments about what is good and what is bad about parsers but there isn't much else to do but to hash out our opinions as best we can and let the developers make the penultimate choice at the end of the day..

but don't you see, that's what we do on the forums, that's why we try so hard to explain why we want parsers but yet we have anti-parser clustering the request from other, because of "personal experience" and you just gave a clear example of what it has been appening on this threat all along all the time... you say you will fall under the anti-parser side saying " I feel they don't bring anything positive to the community" but then don't explain how...yet clearly we are here putting up clear points of why it does....see what it's happening? one side is just denying the other without proofs and the other are defending a request with proofs...

if you don't care if we have it or not, then why choosing a side and clustering even more a request that clearly has a fine line between people who want it or not...

[Archaell]

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You kinda seem like an anti-parser.

I think it isn't possible to stay neutral for long. The second you agree with one side you get dragged to it by both camps... From my point of view I would be okay with simple indicator that would show if you are meeting the game's requirements. Would you need a parser for that? Nope. But parser does it too while providing additional data which can be used for various tasks.

We are focusing too much on the "players might use them for evil deads" (which is line of thought that sends me into parser camp ^^). Imo, I would like to see some points about how can the community judge and prevent the misuse, instead of how can be parser nerfed so that it isn't possible.

[Ercapote]

You kinda seem like an anti-parser.

I think it isn't possible to stay neutral for long. The second you agree with one side you get dragged to it by both camps... From my point of view I would be okay with simple indicator that would show if you are meeting the game's requirements. Would you need a parser for that? Nope. But parser does it too while providing additional data which can be used for various tasks.

We are focusing too much on the "players might use them for evil deads" (which is line of thought that sends me into parser camp ^^). Imo, I would like to see some points about how can the community judge and prevent the misuse, instead of how can be parser nerfed so that it isn't possible.

how to prevent someone from harass with parser...when someone is "harassing you "but actually harassing you for low dps" not like pointing out but actual harassment..

-if you are a person that see someone else being harass... then defend them depending on content if it's easy content then defend the poor guy and indicate that the agressor is a bad person and needs to chill, for a better lecture to that troll proceed to kik from pt and maintain a clean community, that troll will learn and the harassed will hopefully improve it's dps to prevent this.... #helpingthecommunity

-if you are the person being harass then slowly proceed to step 1) reach pocket 2) pull up a nice a shinny middle finger 3) slowly put it back 4) look at your parser meter and check if it can be improve 5) proceed to not be so sensitive, realize that he might be more unhappy than he could possibly make you...

and when you are out of instance or kicked then proceed to improve dps and become a better player for yourself... there...solved harassment issue, now we can have all the positive benefits of a parser on PS4

[Ercapote]

Need does not equal want...

at any point my good sir I stated that my "needs" are above anyones elses I freely stated my opinon about the topic since we don't have the (option) to have it on ps4 that opinion (not demand) excuse me is pretty valid whether you agree or not that's your personal opinion... but as you say

People who want to parse pay to play the game.

people who don't want to parse pay to play the game.

I don'y know if you where trying to contradict yourself here but like said we all pay for this game, having more options doesn;t take anyones experience, now someone demanding that "useful tool" not to be implemented THEN is when you can tell me that my opinion is not above anyone else, and as I repetealy said (YOU DON'T NEED RUNNING SHOES TO RUN, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS and for those who have problems understandind metaphors YOU DON'T NEED A PARSER TO DPS, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS) care to read more carefully next time.

Of course the world firsts are going to use the path of least resistance and parse. It gives them the data they want faster than without.

Just because it's not usually done, doesn't mean it's impossible. Does the parser running in the background when they finally have the fight down mean anything to the people playing? Not really they know what they need to do and the numbers just support that they are doing things correctly. Would these clears never happen if people didn't parse? That's the real question.

a real question of which you don't have any back up confirmation to point out why my point where not valid and you are disagreeing with me for. I recommend you to look after your own words it's like you are constantly contradicting yourself. if you tell me a parser is not needed for progression, then prove it...but yet you can't

now about the topic of parser not needed for end-game fights... I can't put this more clear but Yes, Yes it is. please care to explain to me how are you pulling the most out of your abilities? are you using your own rotation or did you got your rotation from someone elses? how did you know you are doing optimal dps? do you know how guides are made? or are you beating every single fight of this hame without a guide? please care to explain to me how PARSERS are no needed? yes you can tell me you can beat stuff without parser but proof me that those world first didn't took the most advantages out of parsers and reason being one hell of a helpfull tool...for any serious progression group is needed to keep track of your dps and how to maximize your dps whiting those fight...

so again...how am I clearly wrong? perhaps you should not stick to words so literal as I see your entire post is base on "a MUST" word on my post instead on looking to it as a hole and breaking it down to your convenience.

[Jynx]

how PARSERS are no needed?

Trial and Error.

Any serious world firster would agree with me that it wouldn't be impossible to complete these fights, it would however probably take much longer, and more theorycraft beforehand instead of letting the parsers do the heavy mathmatical lifting. Optimal Rotiations don't need parsers to figure out it just as stated before makes it much easier to do.

Parsers are conveint no doubt, they are powerfull tools for sure. Are they required?

Nope.