parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

This can go both ways, you know. I haven't seen you argue many of my points and instead you've chosen to focus on how I'm attacking you.

Because you are

[Whiteroom]

Because you are

Does this cover how you have responded to him before he went that route as well?

[Odett]

Because you are

Someone takes the time to respond to your post, individually addressing your points and answering them...and you reply with 3 words? I do not wish in attempting to communicate with someone who refuses to provide a constructive argument and instead types 3 words, or views every response as a personal attack (after I agreed with you on certain points, too) while cherry picking responses and intentionally choosing not to address valid arguments made in the same post, or misinterpreting them, so I'll wish you a good day and end it here.

[Kosmos992k]

Tbh, after pages of you ignoring all points against yours, making blanket statements, showing extreme bias, and intentinally misinterpting arguments, is it any wonder that people start wondering where you are viewing this from?

Ignoring all points against mine? I've only ever replied to others in this topic, and were appropriate responded to their reply to me. You may categorize my replies however you wish, I could counter by pointing out how hostile you are right now.

Also, this was the first thing you said to me in a parser thread, well reasoned counter? Or personal attack aimed at discrediting?

Well reasoned counter given that you were completely ignoring the impact of human nature with regard to both parser mis-use and how people react to criticism.

[Whiteroom]

Ignoring all points against mine? I've only ever replied to others in this topic, and were appropriate responded to their reply to me. You may categorize my replies however you wish, I could counter by pointing out how hostile you are right now.


Well reasoned counter given that you were completely ignoring the impact of human nature with regard to both parser mis-use and how people react to criticism.

Considering it was a response to my assertion that it is human nature to not want to perform incredibly poorly and that most would look to improve themselves if they were able to see when they were?
You would believe that everyone, or at least most, who are playing poorly now is doing so on purpose? Yet you start with that? We reasoned... yeah.
Also at no point did I ignore that there would be a select few that would abuse it. I and many others have been quick to point out that these people exist, as people seem to think we believe that there is no one who would harass others. So please tell me how that was a well reasoned counter again.

As for me being hostile, lol, no. I pointed out the reasons people were acting that way to you, and yet again you ingored points. You have been replying yes, but not to whats been said in most cases. Ignoing the very valid points and solutions presented to you, and instead attacking a random tidbit as if it were the meat of the coversation.

Look no further than when you brought up selective parsing as a prime example.


Tbh, I think these differences in bias are the real things to talk about here, as they are getting in the way of this topic actually progressing. This is why I asked that person on the last page to bullet point what they viewed as positive and negative.

[Sapphic]

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so anti parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add.

As stated, a LOT of toxicity comes because of players underperforming to the content requirements and stopping players from clearing content. As since I first saw parsers in EQ1 I have only had one case of getting called out on my results, when I decided to try DPS for the first time.

Then in numerous MMOs which use parsers I have NEVER seen this imagined toxicity that anti-parser users keep throwing out there.

Addon support IS coming, according to SE. So you better get used to getting a parser as that WILL be one of the first addons created for it.

you guys ignore the answers simple as that.

You pass off pro parser stuff as fact when it isn't, its all assumption and conjecture.

Yet you are passing off your assumption, conjecture and personal opinon as be all and end all fact. Your opinions are not more valid than anyone elses unless you have solid, tangible proof to refute it. Which you have not. Only personal opinion/experience. My personal experience with MMOs that incorporated parsers in one form or another are contrary to yours and just because it is contrary does not make an assumption or conjecture.

You saying it will cause more toxicity is conjecture as you cannot predict the future, you can only base you opinions on experience and as commonly the case, biase.

[Odett]

You can pull the scoreboard up at any time, not just after everything is done.

ah, excuse my ignorance then

[Jim_Berry]

ah, excuse my ignorance then

lol... I hoped no one replied. I was slow to delete my comment.

[Whiteroom]

lol... I hoped no one replied. I was slow to delete my comment.

Its a hot topic during downtime between patches. Someone is always watching. If you visit, you will be dragged back in.

[Ercapote]

So excuse me for this but after reading this for days I want to point out something all my pro-parser m8 failed or just didn't though to point out, something that in fact hopefully someone can quote me if any ANTI-PARSER decides to come by again so they can stop flaming this threat with nonsense and focus on the main point (which) I hardly agree and needs to be implemented ASAP ( a parser for PS4 )


so here I go....

"PARSER HAS BEEN AROUND THIS GAME SINCE 2.0 OR EVEN 1.X 100% OF THE PC USERS HAVE ACCESS TO IT AND PRETTY SURE 90% OF THEM HAVE IT """CURRENTLY"""" """""""IN"""""" """""""GAME""""""" ALREADY! [[[[[[[[TODAY]]]]]]] //////NOW////// HAS IT INTOXICATED OUR COMMUNITY?????????????? ////////////////[[[[[[[NO!]]]]]]]]/////////////







Seriously I fail to understand why this is even a topic that has been so stretched on this threat or even discussed on any other threat. I failed to reason to the logic of ANTI-PARSER acting like if there aren't parsers already in-game. can someone abuse it? yes, of course, as so they can abuse any other kind of method in-game (gear,weapon,rotation,abilities used etc...) is this the only reason you have to point out to tell me parsers are bad? yes! ... now let me tell you why that's so just plain insignificant compare to how much it brings...

1)it's already being used ///////as we speak//////.

2) it definitely helps you improve your dps as any class, just using your rotation isn't enough yes you can do your rotation without it, BUT YOU CANNOT IMPROVE THAT ROTATION ON DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND PULL OUT ALL YOUR DPS POSSIBLE. (you can run fast without a timer, but you will not now if after running 300 times you improve your speed) this is a no brainer when it comes to parser there no "buts" in this topic and if you tell me "you don't need it" and you don't have one then your point is completely invalid as you never now the difference in your dps with parser or without parser "FISH CAN'T NOTICE THE WATER" and so a blind man can't see colors.

3) everything we have evolved so far in this game has been "with parser" and this is a OF COURSE YES there's no counter point on this.... (rotations, theoricrafters, gruides, stats, hell even BIS) everything ALL OF THIS that just improve our quality life in this game has been with the help of parser.

4) it's a MUST on end game, No group in AS or BCOB or SCOB or TCOB has beaten those fight (PRE GUIDE/NERFS) without it, it's just not possible, it's a TOOL required for those fight and no you cannot simply look at your battle log, no simply looking at every single number I hit helps, there are other factors like AUTO ATTACKS, RESISTANCES and BUFFS you cannot calculate all this by hand no where in a 10000000 years.

5) as a raid leader, CALLING OUT WHO'S UNDER PERFORMING IS NOT HARASSING if you are on a raid content you "MUST" be at 100% you "MUST" be pulling out all the juice you have in your class that's just the "minimum" required from you in such situation and then the rest is know how to use all those abilities on those battle scenarios. If someone if pulling my group back and refuses to improve I'm in my free and valid will to kik them out and replace for someone who can play better, I also pay for this and I also have real life work and studies and my experience as well as anyone experience should be hurt by anyone.

6) at this point it should be clear enough but well... as someone else said in this threat I just going to use his words (YOU DON'T NEED RUNNING SHOES TO RUN, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS and for those who have problems understandind metaphors YOU DON'T NEED A PARSER TO DPS, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS)


I don't think I have to much to say left for all this ANTI-PARSER people, I'm pretty sure some will come up with.... "ho but now more people will have it" R- yeah well the majority of the community are on pc, and ps4 users are no different from pc users we are also humans and in fact I think us will care even less about anyone number in easy content since most of us don't have that bad manner from past experience. so please STOP this anti-parser whatever you guys are thinking you are having a point on, it helps and improves people, if you don't want to use good for you DON'T but if anyone want's more tools to improve then let them have it.


NOW! on the real topic YES PS4 NEEDS A PARSER ASAP we don't have the advantages of pc to run third parties programs and if it's implement on the ADD-ONs it will be a bless since most of us are limb to have such tools.