parse for ps4 users !

[Azazua_azura]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .I know ppl afraid from parse because they can't doing good dps and ppl will kick them as some ppl said ... Raiding ppl have parse already, screenshot ppl don't want it , I need answers from SE. if they not addit ,changing for pc ,easy for me .if they addit ineedit ppl who want to improve skills need it .as I said before this parse not lligle but 90% from pc user use it . I want ps4 user have all options same as pc to clear content if the parse not important why raiding ppl use it ????

npot everyone can calculate ration on the fly thats all a parser does. Not all raiders use them, because not all raiders are pc. A good portion of jp players are console and raid on console. I raided in content before the parser wars started back on ff11. Only post wow mmo parse to my understanding because i didn't hear of parser till post WoW.

@whiteroom

And that is absolutely true. People on the pro parse side are forgetting human nature. So i agree with that person as I've been saying that from the start. A fact people continue to undermind.
My stance has been DF exclusion and everyone 1 of the counter points against mine can be summed up as "you're a fear mongering idiot, who has no idea what she is talking about, you're just a troll." Even though what i stated was true. Which has been throught history human nature will use tools given to them to exclude others.

They also act like you NEED parser to play the game (again not true)

@ anc

its not your call to controll how a player can play their character, DF is suppose to be all inclusive, if you want to be exclusionary that is what pf is for.

And i'm sorry but i do have personal experience with the negativity on being exclusionary.
I quit WoW for a number a reasons and often went back to try again, one thing I DISPISE is addon/tool enforcement. I did want to give WoW a solid try because i found the game fun, but pretty much the commuinity kicked me out, tey mass reported me for being called a w-h-0-r-3. And heavily insulted me when i couldn't downlown their required addons, being called lazy at the least i can't repeat what the worstr of it was, All due to the pc was shared across 5 people.

I do not wanna sree that shi in ff14, I don't want people to experience what I was subjected to. I'm autistic ffs, I have a hard enough time in the real would from exclusion, i don't wanna see it in a video game of all places, its completely petty and childish to jump on people who don't meet your rediculous standards.

Shut the f up with the fear mongering finger pointing. ZYou pro parser people ruin perfectly fun games with ur rediculous mindsets. Its all numbers numbers numbers. sry but not all games are about numbers. If you guyts can't figure out a dps check w/o a tool how can you claim to be a gamer ><

Sorry i'm just fking pissed off from the level of immaturity of some people.

Having an exclusive DF is NOT something we need, if other players performance bug you that much, you have issues. Start playing with people of your opinion/mindset and stop forcing your stupid mindset on everyone.

If you need a parser to do a basic mathmatical ratio stop playing a game and go learn ratio calulations cuz that all a fking parser does does the math for you.

@ oddet

shut the f up you are being a dick to kosmos. I read all ur replies all you do is belittle them, stfu already and stop trying to one up kosmos, you act like my ex boyfriend........


@ whiteroom

sirdarts chif drayer i can't spell everyones name. Anc acts like it a bit. Pretty much every pro parser person who replied to me since i said VERY NICELY parser are not needed. I was picked apart, and called a troll. Even thought what I said was the truth, they just don't wanna see it as such. Or rather don't believe it.

You also can't rebuff what you stated, thats contradicting yourself.

this has been what has been (paraphrased)

1) parsers are needed for dps checks
2) anyone against parsers are scared their low dps will be kicked. (stated as all people who don't parse suck)
3) parser figure everything out from rotations to stat waights.
4) parser are needed to improve.
5) anyone against parser is a fear mongering troll
6) parser are not against the ToS


those are stated as facts time and time again. Thing is they are not facts at all, just assumptions/conjecture.

What is fact is human nature, people will set rediculous standards based on personal performance, and exclude anyone who can't reach it, this has been going on fir Eons. Given the tools and ideals people will exclude others. I don't care if people do it in pf. I don't want to see it in DF, and if a parser is put ingame all content will be subjected to it.

And people undermind the reality of that down playing it for their cause (again human nature) or going as far as to say, who cares if people are excluded it forces them to be better.

Thing is you can't force a person to learn, nor should you force your ideals/mindset/playstyle them.

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?

[Whiteroom]

@ whiteroom

sirdarts chif drayer i can't spell everyones name. Anc acts like it a bit. Pretty much every pro parser person who replied to me since i said VERY NICELY parser are not needed. I was picked apart, and called a troll. Even thought what I said was the truth, they just don't wanna see it as such. Or rather don't believe it.

You also can't rebuff what you stated, thats contradicting yourself.

this has been what has been (paraphrased)

1) parsers are needed for dps checks
2) anyone against parsers are scared their low dps will be kicked. (stated as all people who don't parse suck)
3) parser figure everything out from rotations to stat waights.
4) parser are needed to improve.
5) anyone against parser is a fear mongering troll
6) parser are not against the ToS


those are stated as facts time and time again. Thing is they are not facts at all, just assumptions/conjecture.

What is fact is human nature, people will set rediculous standards based on personal performance, and exclude anyone who can't reach it, this has been going on fir Eons. Given the tools and ideals people will exclude others. I don't care if people do it in pf. I don't want to see it in DF, and if a parser is put ingame all content will be subjected to it.

And people undermind the reality of that down playing it for their cause (again human nature) or going as far as to say, who cares if people are excluded it forces them to be better.

Thing is you can't force a person to learn, nor should you force your ideals/mindset/playstyle them.

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?

Did you really just do this? I ask you to provide quotes where people have made these claims, that you have been claiming they are making all along, and you just restate your false claims!?

Think about that, just think about. You are in fact, putting words in peoples mouths, and then arguing those points. The only one that has come close to being stated is the TOS one (aside from what chif has said, but really, has anyone taken him seriously in this discussion?). Which really has no bearing on parsers being a positive or negative btw.

Directly quote where this has been said or stop claiming it. You are making false statements otherwise. Thats why people have called you a troll. You are making wild claims that your assumptions are scientific fact, thats why you have been called a Fearmonger. And that you have been "NICELY" stating things?!? For real? Didn't you tell someone to:

GROW THE F UP

On top of that you have used your claim that your "27 years of gaming" gives you more insight into them then us lowly plebs, despite not knowing anything about our gaming history, while stating that others don't even need a fully leveled character to have a correct opinion. ( Of course, that only seems to matter when their opinion is the same as yours.)

[Sapphic]

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?

If content is being cleared, no one really cares unless you are doing a quarter or even a 5th of your expected DPS. But in content that requires a minumum amount of contribution and you are physically unable to meet that requirement, then unfortunatelly you cannot expect random players to make it up, especially if it is preventing the rest of the party from being able to clear content. If everyone is awars initially and fine with it then thats different. If I'm doing 1300 DPS and you are doing 700, it wouldn't matter if content is being cleared. If I'm doing 1300 DPS and your doing 200 and content is unable to be cleared, then you are preventing 3 or 7 other people from enjoying the game how they want to by clearing content. Is that fair?

Theres a video taken from an infamously more toxic community then FFXIV on youtube that proves a point in regards to people caring if content is still getting cleared with having someone making nigh on zero contribution to the success of the endeavour. I'm taking about WoW. Aka, no one does.

Theres no solid, facual, indisputable evidence saying the community toxicity will increase or decrease or even stay the same. All we can do is predict (which is far from an accurate science) based on personal experience.

But what we should not do is exagerate to prove a point, or devalue "evidence" that is garnered the same way as what you have stated to, yet again, try and give your opinion higher credence.

Just remember though, we already have parsers in game.

I suggested opt-in parsing where parsing is available in-game,

I have no issues with that whatsover. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out if the required content DPS is 1000 one person is doing 1100, the other DPS opted out and the DPS check is not getting met to figure out where the weakest link is. Plus it would still give the other DPS an average result of what they should be aiming for. If it was set to private or public they would be able to still compare (the person using it private). To see if they are close to or nowhere close.

[Kosmos992k]

I have no issues with that whatsover. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out if the required content DPS is 1000 one person is doing 1100, the other DPS opted out and the DPS check is not getting met to figure out where the weakest link is. Plus it would still give the other DPS an average result of what they should be aiming for. If it was set to private or public they would be able to still compare (the person using it private). To see if they are close to or nowhere close.

Indeed, and if done this way, it would be a sanctioned parser that might get DoT correct too. But by giving players an option, people can choose to enable when working on a dps check, or new class if they so desire, or disable whenever they don't want or need the numbers. But it doesn't prevent anyone who wants to parse their performance from doing so. The idea was to put the option in each players hands. I think this would be more useful than a simple training dummy parser.

[Ercapote]

Indeed, and if done this way, it would be a sanctioned parser that might get DoT correct too. But by giving players an option, people can choose to enable when working on a dps check, or new class if they so desire, or disable whenever they don't want or need the numbers. But it doesn't prevent anyone who wants to parse their performance from doing so. The idea was to put the option in each players hands. I think this would be more useful than a simple training dummy parser.

and with that I could not agree more... this is all we need and also for ps4.