parse for ps4 users !

[Azazua_azura]

@ drayer
Parser is a third party tool, third party tools are against the ToS. Parser use is currently Under a Don't ASK, Don't TELL.

Anyone one person here can be reported on for third party tool use if they claim to use a parser. Which yes its a bannable offence.
The fact you say that alone Its not, is funny when infact it is.

And i read all your posts in full, you come off like parser did everthing in this game from, factoring the best players, best combos, stat waights. This being on ps3 and ps4 prevents that from being factually true, if this was pc only then that would hold water.

Was what I said suppose to represent harrassment? nope just exclusion. Which is what I was presenting I don't think any of my posts said anything about harrassment.
I don't want a ingame parser to give the community tools, use it in DF content and exclude players, more so new players from getting things done. Which will happen. That isn't fear mongering, nor is it baseless. Its basic human nature.

If you give people the tools and the numbers They will use it to judge players and exclude players in PF (non-issue) and DF (the issue). This game is already starting to have a less new player friendly community, adding an ingame parser would make it more so. And you can't report it as it falls under the "Difference in playstyle".

And no I'm not trolling, nor fear mongering just don't want to see the DF system to become some exclusive club. And not having a parser isn't punishing anyone.
And please stop using terms minority and majority as these terms have no facts either way in any case or point of view.

And your posts do come off that having a parser is make or break, that not having one is bad. The only thing i see from the parser argument is you guys don't like the anti-parser views and believe the only reason we don't want one is so people see our "shoddy dps numbers". Which isn't true at least for me.

You also believe one can't improve with out a parser, which again isn't factually true.

I have yet to see anything resembaling a fact, just conjecture.

[Archaell]

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Exclusion is it then. That's great it feels a lil bit like progress.

Have you ever thought that exclusion can be used to protect people?

Let me give you few examples that might infuriate some of the anti-parsers. Would you say that it is bad when there are female only FCs? Which are made to protect their members from harassment? Or mature FCs that are there to avoid irresponsibility of younger players?

Well the same applies to FCs who would want to invite only players of specific skill. If you can't do your part in fights it might create toxic environment and so this requirement prevents that.

Now for the DF. Can parser be used to protect players in DF? Absolutely. It can protect hard trying players from the Netflixers of Slackerdom.

Just today I could have used parser on several occasions, and I mean the other person having parser - not me. I got several way too undergeared players in my groups that if they were not there nothing much would change. I am not that type of person to kick them from group, but if they saw how pitiful their contribution was, maybe they would consider at least visiting local market board to gear up.

Here is the main thing the people who fear parsers are totally ignoring - when you join a group you are supposed to meaningfully contribute. If you can't do that then you do not deserve to be there. It's that simple. Yet right now there is no way to protect players that try they best from these exploiters who do not care. Parser isn't going to fix this on its own of course and here is where your exclusion comes from. If you are not willing to pull your weight then you get called out first and if you continue doing this kind of harmful behaviour you are going to be kicked. To protect the rest of the group. Simple.

You fear that new players might be excluded... well yes they might be. They might be excluded from content that they are not prepared to clear (be it gear, or be it skill). If you are not good enough to do something, then you should never ever expect others to carry you through it. You are basicaly imposing your work loadout on strangers without giving anything in return. Would you expect strangers to do your job for you and for free? No. Because it is immoral. Yet not many players in-game care when it comes to carrying...

So yeah. If it were not for all the bad/slacking players, maybe parser would not be as much supported.

[MentheusDreyar]

@ drayer
Parser is a third party tool, third party tools are against the ToS. Parser use is currently Under a Don't ASK, Don't TELL.

Anyone one person here can be reported on for third party tool use if they claim to use a parser. Which yes its a bannable offence.
The fact you say that alone Its not, is funny when infact it is.

Did i say they aren't against ToS? NO. The only reason that rule is in place is because SE is a software company and they have to have the grounds to protect their products in the event they deem it necessary. But the actual rule itself is not really enforced in any way other than when abuse of the tool comes into play. Which is my whole point. As long as you aren't using it to abuse other players SE don't really care as long as you aren't borderline advertising them. Otherwise i'd have been banned a long time ago...

And i read all your posts in full, you come off like parser did everthing in this game from, factoring the best players, best combos, stat waights. This being on ps3 and ps4 prevents that, if this was pc only then that would hold water.

And you come off like a brick wall of ignorance? So what's your point? Oh look more assumptions

The FACT is parsers were used to calculate the best and optimal rotations and stat weights, the fact you think they weren't is incredibly naive and show's your lack of knowledge in this area so stop trying to argue otherwise.
No one is saying parsers are responsible for ALL of the best players, but most definitely the high end world first type of best players and most certainly the majority because in one way or another they are using data gathered from a parser.

If you give people the tools and the numbers They will use it to judge players and exclude players in PF (non-issue) and DF (the issue). This game is already starting to have a less new player friendly community

Again, baseless assumptions. And the game is just as unfriendly towards new player's as any other game online. That's nothing new.

And not having a parser isn't punishing anyone. And please stop using terms minority and majority as these terms have no facts either way in any case or point of view.

It's punishing those on console that want to benefit from the tool but have no way of running 3rd party programs. You want to remove options for other players because of a minority of bad apples? You don't see how incredibly stupid that is? Quit being so selfish because of your baseless assumptions of other people and fearmongering of parsers.

The majority/minority argument holds more weight than your baseless assumptions that have generally been proven wrong throughout every parser topic.

The only thing i see from the parser argument is you guys don't like the anti-parser views

Because over and over again your views have been proven to be baseless, misinformed, ignorant and just plain stupid and wrong.

and believe the only reason we don't want one is so people see our "shoddy dps numbers".

Well the more outlandish and stupid replies we get to defend against having a parser, more and more this seems like an accurate statement.

And because no one anti-parser has answered any of the important question's we've asked them and have purposefully ignored them over and over, i'd say for the majority it's probably true.

You also believe one can't improve with out a parser, which again isn't factually true

Not saying you can't, the whole point is that a parser gives you the information you need in a more attractive and easier to understand layout than what the game provides. Why would you not use it? It's clearly a convenient and superior tool for helping you assess yourself and others performance and look for ways to improve.

I have yet to see anything resembaling a fact, just conjecture.

So basically you haven't read any of the pro parser points in any thread within the forum then?

Honestly I'm done, because you clearly don't bother taking in anything other people are saying... I'm not wasting any more time banging my head on a brick wall getting you to listen.

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[raelgun]

You also believe one can't improve with out a parser, which again isn't factually true.

I have yet to see anything resembaling a fact, just conjecture.

Name one thing in this world and I really mean it, name one thing that people do that is performance related that improves upon something that have no comparable metric to go by, a DPS parser is a metric to go by, every improvement is measured against something and you need to know exactly what that measure is.

Every performance related activity has a metric to compare against, this is how every one improves, quick example Olympic athletes.

[Gilraen]

Name one thing in this world and I really mean it, name one thing that people do that is performance related that improves upon something that have no comparable metric to go by

Building something. The elements are comparable; the blueprint is the dungeon, the build quality is in completing the dungeon or beating the boss, inspection is in the victory. If the everyone does their job that's the end of it and the inspector gives a parting wave, that is to say loot is awarded and everyone jumps in the portal. This is the case of near every dungeon I've run, there were no obvious slackards and the dungeon finished without consequence. I've had fast runs and slow runs and really slow runs but a bad run is a rare occurrence.

[Odett]

Building something. The elements are comparable; the blueprint is the dungeon, the build quality is in completing the dungeon or beating the boss, inspection is in the victory. If the everyone does their job that's the end of it and the inspector gives a parting wave, that is to say loot is awarded and everyone jumps in the portal. This is the case of near every dungeon I've run, there were no obvious slackards and the dungeon finished without consequence. I've had fast runs and slow runs and really slow runs but a bad run is a rare occurrence.

So when a DPS check isn't being met, how do you know who's getting in the way of a clear? After four+ wipes at exactly the same DPS check phase of the fight, how can you pinpoint the problem? Wouldn't you like to know why a DPS check isn't being met and deal with the problem, rather than disbanding the entire group?