parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

Proper rotations came from parsing. All these guides you read, all these video guides you watch, all these threads or posts on how to DPS, all of them have a root in parsing. Sure trial and error as well as experience come into play with these guides, but parsing is just as valuable as the aforementioned, since knowing when your abilities will do the highest amount of DPS is key against enrage/DPS checks. Also you mentioned theorycrafting earlier, which is all about numbers... which a parser is all about.

Yeah, right. Instead of taking the information given in the skill descriptions, and using their experience during play, everyone who wrote a guide just closed their eyes and let the parser do it for them... It's honestly flabbergasting to me how many people put such stock in parsers that they can't imagine how to improve without one, so much so that they presume that anyone who is 'good' must have used a parser. I don't read guides BTW, I learn by experience and knowing the skills. Theorycrafting is about looking at the skills and working out how to use them best, when to use buffs, what circumstances to use a particular interrupt, and so on, yes it's a lot of numbers, so what, it's players using their intelligence to work out the best combinations of skills in different circumstances, not simply focusing on your parsed dps, or how you get that last 10th of a point.

[Archaell]

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You two make me chuckle. ^^

Of course you don't need parser for creating rotations and stuff. Theorycrafting is just solid math and knowledge application.

I would say tho that for real combat situations parser combined with a video footage makes it hella easier to work on theorycraft... but theorycrafters are usually better players anyways so that's not really important.

We should focus more on our ice mages and petrified monks. Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips do math to calculate optimal rotations? I don't think so... nor they would read up guides about their class. In this regard parser doesn't work as much as tool for theorycrafting, but more like motivator to actually read up about their job. Nothing motivates you as much as seeing how much you suck... and also the fear of being "harassed".

[ShanaShirayuki]

But parsing is one of the many things used in theorycrafting, which in turn is used in all these guides the Anti Parsing crowd keep referring to. Also, I don't take much stock in someone who doesn't even have a level 60 DPS, much less a combat class, advice on improvement.

[Kosmos992k]

But parsing is one of the many things used in theorycrafting, which in turn is used in all these guides the Anti Parsing crowd keep referring to. Also, I don't take much stock in someone who doesn't even have a level 60 DPS, much less a combat class, advice on improvement.

Ah, excellent, belittle your opponent, what a productive and helpful strategy. You dont need a level 60 dps class to understand improvement. Apparently in ARR, the level cap was 50, so by your logic no one then was allowed an opinion about improvement? That would have been a shock tothose completing coil on a console.

Oh, by the way, the only times I have refered to a guide in anypost was replying to a parser advocate claiming that guides onleexist because of parsers. Look, if you and anyone else wants to continueto push a line that essentially says you are no good if you don't use a parser, or you can't improve without one, go right aheaf, just don't be surprised when players who don't parse get annoyed. Go ahead and use your crutch, just don't hit anyone over the head with it.

We should focus more on our ice mages and petrified monks. Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips do math to calculate optimal rotations? I don't think so... nor they would read up guides about their class. In this regard parser doesn't work as much as tool for theorycrafting, but more like motivator to actually read up about their job. Nothing motivates you as much as seeing how much you suck... and also the fear of being "harassed".

Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips listen to advice on improvement from someone brandishing parser numbers? I think not, sad as it is, players who won't read about their skills are unlikely to care enough about things to improve.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Oh, by the way, the only times I have refered to a guide in anypost was replying to a parser advocate claiming that guides onleexist because of parsers. Look, if you and anyone else wants to continueto push a line that essentially says you are no good if you don't use a parser, or you can't improve without one, go right aheaf, just don't be surprised when players who don't parse get annoyed. Go ahead and use your crutch, just don't hit anyone over the head with it.

I never said to be a good player you need a parser. Honestly now, is putting words in my mouth the only rebuttal you can come up with? I even mentioned that parsing is JUST AS valuable as experience, trial and error, whatever you want to call it. How does that imply that parsing is the be-all end-all? Where did you come up with the assumption that someone is a bad player if they don't use a parser in my response?

Also, your lack of a combat class at 60 is a clear indication that you have no idea how current endgame content works. DPS checks are more heavily utilized and emphasized in endgame Heavensward content than they were in ARR. Everyone, including tanks and healers, is expected to pull their weight DPS wise. Thus your opinion carries less weight than if you were 60 since you've never experienced said content yet.

[Azazua_azura]

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Thats assumption theory crafting has been in rpg since before the internet. And which person you are refering to? Parser help all classes out from dps to healing to tanking or so people claim.

@ malevicton

again that has been done well before the internet so you can't state that is factually true.

please you guys sound rediculous, you guys come off and act like parser are the end all be all and act like gaming and rpg didn't exist befor parser. Even table top rpg players therory craft.

In most cases herer people mix up "learning to play" with "learning the content" none of which needs a parser, and just requires practice. Which you don't even need to see numbers to. Just playing, reacting, adapting gets content beat which all you need is the mobs hp bar up SE even added the % so you can figure out what % mobs do their moves.



@ ac
I just want to point out that most ice mages or petrified monks are just trolls getting under your skin. More so if they claim its RP reasons.

@ thread

Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them. And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything, when gaming has been around before the internet.

unless this was a pc only game, none of your arguments hold water. Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

[Archaell]

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I am going to ignore the ridiculous part of your post - as somebody else will be more than happy to get through it - and ask you a simple question.

People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Do you consider this to be harassment?

[Eidolon]

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

A few things:

Most FC's in private that do serious endgame will request a parse. This is to test the player and make sure they at least understand the basics of their own rotation - but this is often for serious raiding free companies.


There is little to no difference between "Must be able to parse X" and "Must be able to clear Y." The only difference I see is that someone might get carried through a clear on "Must be able to clear Y" because they know the mechanics but not their own role and how to optimize it (I've had BLM's doing 600 DPS on A1S who has the earrings drops. That bad. We almost cleared because we had two WAR's decked with STR gear but came up short.)

Using a parser is a gameplay style and should not be considered a negative thing.
Using a parser to harass is a choice of trolls and should not be tolerated.
Players who harass should not be the determinant on the rest of the game. That is punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority.

[Chif]

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Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them. And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.
Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything, when gaming has been around before the internet.

unless this was a pc only game, none of your arguments hold water. Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

Stop harassment pls .

[MentheusDreyar]

@ thread

Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them.

And it's ignorant of you to assume everyone will misuse that tool just because the possibility exists. Again baseless fearmongering.

And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.

There we go again, trying to state your assumptions are fact.

And i'll say it once again to drill it into your ignorant head, parser's are NOT a ban-able offense, targeting and abusing players with the data is, go ahead and report us for using one, nothing will happen without proving we are legitimately harassing other players with it. Otherwise based on your "logic" and i use that term extremely loosely, all the world first teams would have been banned long ago.

Now i've played all these MMO's you keep drawing your "experience" from, and i can say i very rarely encountered the kind of behavior you seem to be convinced will happen all the time. From an outside perspective those who cause the problems are far more likely to encounter them. Think on that for a minute

All your "experience" is, is a biased POV. Experience holds no weight without being able to back it up with facts and data.

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Again, trying to say your assumptions are facts, a perfect display of ignorance. No one is claiming people won't abuse it, but it will mostly be the people who are currently abusing others that do so. So ultimately nothing will really change in that regard. Not to mention people in general in this community can't take the tiniest bit of criticism without calling it harassment, which it plain isn't. And trust me, a large amount of "harassment" in this game is actually taking criticism way out of proportion and only they see it as harassment.

I haven't even heard of someone getting banned for using parser data to help someone, hell i do it all the time, as it's clear from anyone with an ounce of common sense that it's not abuse of a parser. I'm still waiting on my ban from SE

The "abuse" and "harassment" is a biased POV of the person under criticism.

Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

Encountered almost zero harassment and abuse in Aion and DCUO, only those who actually deserved it. So i'd call your "experience" biased at best. Personal experience doesn't hold any weight in an argument unless you can back it up with actual factual data.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything,

Wait so you're admitting you are ignorant? Because that statement as basically a summary of your entire argument right there , you suddenly go from "parser causes all toxicity in games they shouldn't be in" to admitting it's ignorant to think they do? If you're gonna troll at least keep your story straight...

Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

No one is saying this? What baseless assumption are you working off now? Seriously, i'm starting to think you really are a troll as i can't actually believe someone can be this ignorant.

Players who harass should not be the determinant on the rest of the game. That is punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority.

Which sadly no one seems to be able to understand.