parse for ps4 users !

[Kiyashi]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

[Archaell]

I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).

"As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.

Sometimes I wonder if the dungeons aren't actually made for 3man groups and on top of that without tank's and healer's dps in mind.

[Kosmos992k]

"As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.

Sometimes I wonder if the dungeons aren't actually made for 3man groups and on top of that without tank's and healer's dps in mind.

Even with the level sync a 60 in full gear still overgears the basic dungeons by a pretty hefty amount, all your gear an character attributes will be capped out at their max. Imagine how much of an advantage you have in a lvl 35/40 dungeon where your effective ilvl is 5-10 higher than the dungeon level. That's why some have suggested tighter sync of gear and stats. So running them as you are now, for example, probably would feel like they are balanced for 3, not 4. Run them in mid-tier, level appropriate gear though and you'll want that 4th player.

[DPZ2]

OR... OR... An official parser would actually give YOU a way to see who is actually underperforming, and not just take the abuse by the tank...

Question -- is this discussion going to happen before or AFTER the vote to kick? Will there be an adjudication session lasting at least 2 minutes while everyone carefully goes through their own parser output?

Question -- in all content except end-game, who gets to decide what underperforming means?

Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.

[Whiteroom]

Question -- is this discussion going to happen before or AFTER the vote to kick? Will there be an adjudication session lasting at least 2 minutes while everyone carefully goes through their own parser output?

Question -- in all content except end-game, who gets to decide what underperforming means?

Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.

1. Does it matter?

2. Well, the party obviously, the same as now.

3. Well, umm, parsers do more than just tell damage out. But yes, your examples are the baseline for tanks and healers.

4. Because a lot of them have seen the actual numbers, and know how bad things are. Or because they want to use one to improve themselves or their team. There really isn't one answer to anyone of the questions you asked. If you think there is, well, you don't know parsers.

5. Well, once again, that questions has a lot of answers. I would use one, but I wouldn't really be satisfied with one. A personal parser is a very limited tool.

I'm not sure about the Period at the end of your questions though. At first I thought you broke your actual "." button, but there is one before and after it.

[Chif]

Content need dps check but we can't know how much we are doing !! Parse telling me if I'm good enough to doing raid or Not so I have to practice . How should I know my dps with out parse ? Ppl saying dungeon and kick with parse no 1 will kick you because you will practice enough doing more damage more skills .ppl looking forward to play with you parse positive thing for ppl who want to improve our skills negative thing for ppl who want to be carried.

[Azazua_azura]

tablet died ; ;

Anyway,

i have a question for parser users or advocates, why do you want them?

My take on it that the use and data provide is inaccurate due to the inconsistency of players.

Also why is it when you make an argument tward those who do want parser, its always "you're lazy" and "you don't know how they work"?

I'm against parser due to player inconsistency,and the fact something user made is prone to it's own inconsistency, errors due to being user made, and poor way to judge if a person is good or not.


Parsers are not hard to figure out, they read the damage the player/party does and present it as an easy to read ratio of how much damage they do in a time frame.

With that said, numbers change from player to player due to a ton of variables, between gear, netspeed, action/reaction time, state point allocation, hotbar/crosshotbar layout, and how much experience they have with content. Also players have good and bad days, based on mood, health or other basic stuff.

How can a player be judged good or bad when that stuff changes from player to player or over the corse of content.

From reading the posts there is 2 sets of groups who want parser

group a) wants parser for self improvement.

group b) want parser to weed out low dps players as a reason for wipes.

I'll speak to group a first.

Why do you guys need a parser to improve? How do you know the numbers are what to shoot for? Who set the bar for a number to reach and how do you know that wasn't a fluke moment (they do happen)

My take with group A stance is you don't need a parser to improve, basic trial an error helps, also does practicing content, and your role. A mix of gear and food also help as well to maximise the stats that benifit your build/class. Tweeking the hotbar/cross hotbar layout to make using skills/buffs timely also will help. If the mobs/bosses are dying faster with your damage (which simple using the hp bar) then you are on the right track. And you should always try to improve.

Not to group b

Why do you guys feel the need to witch hunt a group and point blame to a person for a wipe? How do you know if a player is doing good dps or bad dps? Are you basing that on the players in the group? Or do you have a spread sheet that lists every gear food state allocation combo for every job and what the best dps is for each combo? Also why do you need a parser to make it feel dps are help up to the same standar as healer or tank


First off, it is very rare one person can cause a wipe, people make mistakes with good teamwork these can be worked through with out a wipe. Witch hunting in a group causes tension and hystaria and group morale goes down fast, which causes people to not care and people will wipe for sake of not giving a rats booty if they beat it or not. Also, Dps role is help up to the same standard as a tank and healer. No 1 role is more importent or has more responsibility then the other.

And why do you care so much on someones performance if content is infact being cleared? Why the witch hunt to find the person who is "being carried"?

My take on this is, STOP. It us a video game, thgat is ment for fun, relaxation, and entertainment. As long as content is being completed who cares? The only reason to care is if you are the top 10% of the top 10% of players, and not everyone wants to or can play to that level.

You guys are just as much fault for wipes you have experienced as the supposed "low dps" your witch hunting. Back seat playing someones character is rude, and wrong. If content isn't being completed step yup and communicate on why it isn't being completed, playing the blame game is simply childish as everyone is at fault.

Instead of treating your party as tools, treat them as fellow players. In truth though instead of coming to the forums to force SE to add a parser do this instead. Which is 1 of 3 things.

1) OFFER (not enforce) a player job tips on jobs you play well at. example: "hey i mainly play as <instert job> want any tips or tricks that help out?"

2) communicate a good boss stratagy and OFFER players who haven't done it alot or are fresh tips and tricks about the boss fight. example: "hey this boss does <instert move> you can stun it and keep fighting" or "this boss does <instert move> at <insert hp%> when it gets close be at <insert location>.

3) make friends who are in the same time frame that you play in, who share your experience and ideals and play with them.



Those in this thread advocating for a parser in the way of a complaint that others are not up to their standared are part of the problem, if not the problem. As i said before all job roles are equal and need to work together to beat content. And wipes happen for a lort of different reasons not just "low dps". There is a spectrum of players and play skill, try to play with people of like ideal instead of trying to force others to have your ideal.

And lastly, "low dps" doesn't always mean a person is lazy, plauers could be new to that content and still learning how best to complete it, but all guides and vids have correct or up-to-date info, nor can everyone understand what is being presented, stop up as a gamer and communicate. Blaming a fresh playing saying "watch a vid" makes you part of the problem, never the solution.

[seekified]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

It really isn't that simple since buying a PC that can comfortably run this game on settings equaling those of a PS4 can cost a lot more than people are willing to spend.

[sirDarts]

"As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.

The problem is. Content is NOT getting cleared.
Both Bismarck HM and Ravana HM are failing.
Bismarck is often not even getting cleared within the allocated time. Because people can't get past the double-snake DPS check, and nobody is allowed to know which of the DPS are not pulling their weight. Mind you, that's INCLUDING me putting full Cleric SCH DoTs on both of them every chance I get.

Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.

Whiteroom already said most of what I would, just a few additions.

1) Tanks and Healers are already expected to DPS above their "keep everyone alive", and "hold aggro" baseline.

2) The reason I think majority of content (IMO all group content outside of FATEs) needs one. Not because you need to see who is not pulling their weight in the majority, but because people need to learn gradually how to play their jobs, and they won't if they don't see they are underperforming.
Healers learn to play their job in Hauke at the latest because there can be quite a bit of incoming damage, and status effects.
Tanks learn to play their job in Brayflox at the latest because of the various add phases at the first boss, and the reposition mechanics at the last boss. And also the trash patrols.
There is no place where DPS actually need to perform till Bismarck HM.

3) No, I would not be satisfied with a personal parser. How are you supposed to know that you should be putting out more, if you have no reference? Also it would not help solve issues with content not getting done because people would lie about their numbers.
Also let me tell you, having that goal above you, seeing that someone is doing better and trying to catch up to them, that's something that can really motivate a person.
Not to mention that it's really satisfying to see that you for example pulled almost double your co-healer's HPS, while doing half their overhealing, AND putting out 100 more DPS. :3

[Cidolfas86]

If you want to parse and get better it's simple, switch to PC

You can certainly tell economics or common sense came nowhere near the logic that spit out this post. Building a PC that could run this game @ or near PS4 level certainly isn't as cheap as a PS4.