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    I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanaShirayuki View Post
    I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).
    I keep waiting for this as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanaShirayuki View Post
    I like how the Anti-Parser crowd still hasn't given an answer for why tanks/healers are held to a higher standard while DPS get a free pass on suboptimal performance (especially when there is content outside of raid environments that have DPS checks).
    "As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.

    Sometimes I wonder if the dungeons aren't actually made for 3man groups and on top of that without tank's and healer's dps in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    "As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.

    Sometimes I wonder if the dungeons aren't actually made for 3man groups and on top of that without tank's and healer's dps in mind.
    Even with the level sync a 60 in full gear still overgears the basic dungeons by a pretty hefty amount, all your gear an character attributes will be capped out at their max. Imagine how much of an advantage you have in a lvl 35/40 dungeon where your effective ilvl is 5-10 higher than the dungeon level. That's why some have suggested tighter sync of gear and stats. So running them as you are now, for example, probably would feel like they are balanced for 3, not 4. Run them in mid-tier, level appropriate gear though and you'll want that 4th player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    "As long as the content gets cleared who cares?" That's the usual answer.
    The problem is. Content is NOT getting cleared.
    Both Bismarck HM and Ravana HM are failing.
    Bismarck is often not even getting cleared within the allocated time. Because people can't get past the double-snake DPS check, and nobody is allowed to know which of the DPS are not pulling their weight. Mind you, that's INCLUDING me putting full Cleric SCH DoTs on both of them every chance I get.

    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

    Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

    Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.
    Whiteroom already said most of what I would, just a few additions.

    1) Tanks and Healers are already expected to DPS above their "keep everyone alive", and "hold aggro" baseline.

    2) The reason I think majority of content (IMO all group content outside of FATEs) needs one. Not because you need to see who is not pulling their weight in the majority, but because people need to learn gradually how to play their jobs, and they won't if they don't see they are underperforming.
    Healers learn to play their job in Hauke at the latest because there can be quite a bit of incoming damage, and status effects.
    Tanks learn to play their job in Brayflox at the latest because of the various add phases at the first boss, and the reposition mechanics at the last boss. And also the trash patrols.
    There is no place where DPS actually need to perform till Bismarck HM.

    3) No, I would not be satisfied with a personal parser. How are you supposed to know that you should be putting out more, if you have no reference? Also it would not help solve issues with content not getting done because people would lie about their numbers.
    Also let me tell you, having that goal above you, seeing that someone is doing better and trying to catch up to them, that's something that can really motivate a person.
    Not to mention that it's really satisfying to see that you for example pulled almost double your co-healer's HPS, while doing half their overhealing, AND putting out 100 more DPS. :3
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    Last edited by sirDarts; 10-13-2015 at 04:21 PM.