parse for ps4 users !

[Yshnal]

So, one more time: How do parsers cause or increase the amounts of negative behavior?

A parser gives morons a tool that makes it easier for them to do what they do best: being morons. Yes, without a parser they will do it with something else, but why make it worse by giving them another way to annoy everyone else? And remember that even if 3/4 of the party members are cool guys/gals (not the case usually, as most people that I find are just the silent and/or passive ones), you just need the other 1/4 of the party to be an a**hole to make your experience worse, preventing you from having fun. Not to mention that only a handful of players know how to properly use and read a parser.

On the other hand, a personal parser to help people improve their rotations is fine. Heck, they could even let you invite your party to the upcoming "testing/learning grounds" that they plan to implement so that you can even test it with more people there if you want.

[Whiteroom]

A parser gives morons a tool that makes it easier for them to do what they do best: being morons. Yes, without a parser they will do it with something else, but why make it worse by giving them another way to annoy everyone else?

Does it really give them another way? Or does it just let them put a number in their already existing rants? Also, what about those times the player being ranted at, can say, "Hey, actually the numbers say you are wrong."

[Ash_]

Want to see a horrible example where parsers are used actively to harass and discourage players from participating even on easy mode content daily? Go play aion. 5k dps for easy mode content or gtfo defines the exclusionary and elitist nature of the NA community on that game. And that's what it really comes down to, problems with the culture of NA communities in *insert mmo name here* exemplifying the worst of behaviour and why things like this should never be implemented.

My attitude is if content can be completed well enough, parsers aren't needed. And I'd rather not see this game's community go the direction of aion... just please no.

[Yshnal]

I'll quote myself, as it seems that some people think about parsers in a void, thus only seeing their benefits:

Not to mention that only a handful of players know how to properly use and read a parser.

You just need to see the behavior of these players here and in every other MMO that has allowed or implemented open parsers (or here, even with the "don't talk about it" policy). It's not just a small number of people noticing this, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in every MMO out there.

[sirDarts]

I'll quote myself, as it seems that some people think about parsers in a void, thus only seeing their benefits:


You just need to see the behavior of these players here and in every other MMO that has allowed or implemented open parsers (or here, even with the "don't talk about it" policy). It's not just a small number of people noticing this, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in every MMO out there.

I still don't understand that "argument" of yours. What do you mean by people not knowing how to use and read a parser?

[Yshnal]

I still don't understand that "argument" of yours. What do you mean by people not knowing how to use and read a parser?

They just see dps numbers and don't take into account AoE damage, mobility, mechanics, etc. Sometimes you might not be doing proper dps because you had to do something else, as another player didn't do what they had to do. In that situation these players would blame you for the lack of dps instead of being aware that it wasn't actually your fault at all. That's what I mean with few people knowing how to use that tool, and you will agree that if a parser is so much needed because there's so many people that don't know how to use their job, they won't be able to use a parser properly either outside of using it to check their own raw dps. And in that case they will have enough (and it will be easier for them) with what SE is going to implement to "train" players.

A parser won't magically make people learn how to use their job. It can even be counterproductive if they don't understand the information that they're getting from it. That's why I'm more inclined to do something like what SE is trying to do, instead of just giving a parser to everyone and hope for the best.

[sirDarts]

They just see dps numbers and don't take into account AoE damage, mobility, mechanics, etc. Sometimes you might not be doing proper dps because you had to do something else, as another player didn't do what they had to do. In that situation these players would blame you for the lack of dps instead of being aware that it wasn't actually your fault at all. That's what I mean with few people knowing how to use that tool, and you will agree that if a parser is so much needed because there's so many people that don't know how to use their job, they won't be able to use a parser properly either outside of using it to check their own raw dps. And in that case they will have enough (and it will be easier for them) with what SE is going to implement to "train" players.

A parser won't magically make people learn how to use their job. It can even be counterproductive if they don't understand the information that they're getting from it. That's why I'm more inclined to do something like what SE is trying to do, instead of just giving a parser to everyone and hope for the best.

Well, yes, it's a tool, and a tool is only as useful as the user makes it.

On the other hand, most people DO NOT CARE about people underperforming as long as content is getting cleared. And I have met "Ice-Mages", Tanks that lose half mob agro every pull, healers who just cast Cure/Physick/Whatever the AST equivalent is as soon as the Tank falls under 80% and not doing anything else, etc. NOBODY cared, NOBODY complained, NOBODY said a word, NOBODY kicked anyone. UNLESS this underperforming caused a wipe. And then you DO need to know who is the reason for the fail, and you just can't tell who it is, if it is DPS.

[Sapphic]

I'll quote myself, as it seems that some people think about parsers in a void, thus only seeing their benefits:


You just need to see the behavior of these players here and in every other MMO that has allowed or implemented open parsers (or here, even with the "don't talk about it" policy). It's not just a small number of people noticing this, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in every MMO out there.

Yet it is just the same, small number of players who are vehemently against parsers. Maybe those getting called out when parsers are used should look at themselves instead of the tool.

Use you anecdotal evidence to answer this if you can, Why is it ok for a DPS to underperform and not be held acountable whereas a tank underperforming or a healer underperforming is? By refusing to answer it makes your points moot.

It is easy to spot a Tank or healer that is underperforming to the standard required to clear content. How do you know then if required DPS is 1000 per DPS and one is pulling 1000 DPS and the second is pulling 900? All situations lead to not completing the content. Or one DPS is pushing 1000 and the other is pushing 300 but believes vehemently that they are doing good?

[MentheusDreyar]

Yet it is just the same, small number of players who are vehemently against parsers. Maybe those getting called out when parsers are used should look at themselves instead of the tool.

Use you anecdotal evidence to answer this if you can, Why is it ok for a DPS to underperform and not be held acountable whereas a tank underperforming or a healer underperforming is? By refusing to answer it makes your points moot.

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

[Sapphic]

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

But they don't see it as harrasment when a DPS is vastly underperforming which leads to content not being cleared.

Yet they will probably be the first to complain if they keep dieing due to no heals, or wiping because the tank cannot be bothered to hold enmity on mobs.