parse for ps4 users !

[DPZ2]

OR... OR... An official parser would actually give YOU a way to see who is actually underperforming, and not just take the abuse by the tank...

Question -- is this discussion going to happen before or AFTER the vote to kick? Will there be an adjudication session lasting at least 2 minutes while everyone carefully goes through their own parser output?

Question -- in all content except end-game, who gets to decide what underperforming means?

Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.

[Whiteroom]

Question -- is this discussion going to happen before or AFTER the vote to kick? Will there be an adjudication session lasting at least 2 minutes while everyone carefully goes through their own parser output?

Question -- in all content except end-game, who gets to decide what underperforming means?

Question -- how are Tanks and Healers rated for performance, except for "I didn't die" and "the tank kept aggro" ? Can we automatically turn off the tanks numbers so we can compare job performance of tanks AS TANKS and healers AS HEALERS and not DPS?

Why does many who advocate an "official parser" seem to believe that the majority of content in this game needs one?

Question -- Would advocates for an "official parser" be satisfied if it was personal. Period.

1. Does it matter?

2. Well, the party obviously, the same as now.

3. Well, umm, parsers do more than just tell damage out. But yes, your examples are the baseline for tanks and healers.

4. Because a lot of them have seen the actual numbers, and know how bad things are. Or because they want to use one to improve themselves or their team. There really isn't one answer to anyone of the questions you asked. If you think there is, well, you don't know parsers.

5. Well, once again, that questions has a lot of answers. I would use one, but I wouldn't really be satisfied with one. A personal parser is a very limited tool.

I'm not sure about the Period at the end of your questions though. At first I thought you broke your actual "." button, but there is one before and after it.

[Misutoraru]

Does it help improve dps?it does
Does it induces harassment? It does
Then do the good out weight the bad or the bad out weight the good? No one knows
It is never introduce officially in FFXIV, no one can tell how it happen in FFXIV community

[Yeldir]

Does it help improve dps?it does
Does it induces harassment? It does
Then do the good out weight the bad or the bad out weight the good? No one knows
It is never introduce officially in FFXIV, no one can tell how it happen in FFXIV community

Savage content cannot be completed without parsers. I challenge you to try and find a static or free company actually clearing the various encounters in savage Alexander who do not use parsers. This content was designed and balanced with the expectation the players tackling it would be using parsers. That is, in its own way, kind of an unofficial official confirmation that parsers are sanctioned, even if SE doesn't feel like developing parsers themselves.

[MentheusDreyar]

Does it help improve dps?it does
Does it induces harassment? It does
Then do the good out weight the bad or the bad out weight the good? No one knows
It is never introduce officially in FFXIV, no one can tell how it happen in FFXIV community

The good definitely outweighs the bad, a-holes will be a-holes with or without an official parser. Without any incentive to improve people won't, and the problem will continue. We can draw on the vast amount of research and statistics from every other MMO. There is NO correlation between parsers and increased harrassment. This has been proven over and over again.

The real harassment in the game is the players who expect to put in no effort and get away with it or have no desire to learn to actually play properly.

As of right now i have a whole Linkshell of players who no longer want to put up with the incredible amount of bad players out there. And we're starting a second one in addition to our LS with our neighbor FC's, and guess what, the majority of those are tank mains or tank alts. Tanks that could otherwise be using DF and increasing queue speeds and otherwise helping players aren't because its not worth the hassle or abuse from these bad random players. Why waste 40+ mins when we can all get it done in 15-20+min with barely any effort because we are all contributing. And none of this is counting our friend lists which are slowly approaching the limit.

We're seeing it now and its only going to get worse until players get better, but eventually all the good players will get sick and tired of it and group together, leaving all the "bads" and new players together getting no content done.

If people don't want to contribute and perform in parties or otherwise hold any kind of responsibility in their role be it Tank, Healer or DPS they need to stop playing with other people. Period. They should have learned to play properly by lv 50 at the latest there is absolutely no reason to be performing on a sub 50 level after that.

[Misutoraru]

Savage content

Actually my standing point is about the same as SE
I m not against anyone use it as third party tool if feel the need of it
If PS4 player can't use third party tool
And needed officially add into game
Leave it in raid only, the raider will be happy and those who don't like it can stay with 4-ppl dungeon
Like I say in other thread, i m not fully against it not fully accept it

[sirDarts]

Actually my standing point is about the same as SE
I m not against anyone use it as third party tool if feel the need of it
If PS4 player can't use third party tool
And needed officially add into game
Leave it in raid only, the raider will be happy and those who don't like it can stay with 4-ppl dungeon
Like I say in other thread, i m not fully against it not fully accept it

I used to be a supporter of "only for 8-man raids and EX primals"-parsers. But with the amount of DPS check fails in incredibly easy content like Bismarck HM, parsers are needed elsewhere as well. DPS players, being babied for 50+ levels, never having to put in any effort, are suddenly required to put more than 50% of their capabilities, and they are unable to do so... Something is very wrong...

@People who are against parsers:
Imagine a tank putting in less than 50% of their capabilities in basically any content above (including) Hauke. EVERYONE would die.
Imagine a healer putting in less than 50% of their capabilities in basically any content. Once again, EVERYONE would die.
Yet DPS are allowed to do so without any sort of repercussion.

[Misutoraru]

Ther again.
performing on a sub 50 level after that.

Actually I have experienced the bad out weight the good more than the other way round
I have seen it become a norm in community the number become speaking power

I have actually seen healer being bashed by a tank becoz the healer don't do enough dps as the tank want

Would the FFXIV community become one of these kind of jackass, no one know what would happen

You can assure me you won't turn jerk, but at the end you are u, I can't get everyone to promise not to turn
It is a gamble I wouldn't risk


I would say it again, if the raid design need it, leave it in binding coil and Alex

[Chif]

I would say it again, if the raid design need it, leave it in binding coil and Alex[/QUOTE]

If you don't doing raid why you talking about parse ? you just have to talk about how to take screenshots and share it .
So parse not lligle SE have to band all ppl who use it that's mean raid ppl who clear 1st 2nd 3ed coil and AS that's mean all player on YouTube and 1st on server since 1.0 .

[MentheusDreyar]

Actually I have experienced the bad out weight the good more than the other way round
I have seen it become a norm in community the number become speaking power

I would say it again, if the raid design need it, leave it in binding coil and Alex

It sucks that you have experienced more of the negativity yourself, but what no one anti parser is thinking about is the overall experience throughout the entire player base. Statistically people will still experience the toxicity from the a-holes unless everyone suddenly becomes a saint. That is a plain fact, it will never be fully removed. But for every single report of harassment, there will be many less reports because either people will realize they cant play sub-par anymore and improve, reducing the overall level of harassment or they wont improve and continue to be removed and continue to complain. If you don't give them a legitimate reason to remove you then they won't, and if they kick you for none legitimate reasons there is still the ability to report those players, it's not like its being removed.

Players without feedback won't improve. The game relies ALOT on DPS checks because the majority can't handle even simple mechanics competently, having no way to measure a groups performance in these situations is a huge mistake and it leads to all sorts of harassment, which you are trying to avoid. And it's not just raids that have DPS checks quite of few dungeons have them too, they aren't even remotely hard and yet people still fail them, further fueling the fire of toxicity.

The fact people are actively avoiding DF should clearly tell you the general level of play is not good enough.