WHMs and their toolkits

[HyperiusUltima]

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Sorry to say, but Asylum is one of WHM's most useful healing abilities next to Medica II, Assize, and Tetragrammaton. The fact that it's oGCD and also ticks for 100 over 30s(1000 potency for full duration inside the bubble) makes it invaluable in most situations. Pop Regen/Medica II and you can save on MP and healing, and spare yourself a little time to cast Aero III or Stone III. Assize is also there in the case you want to keep people up during certain situations(i.e. Hard-hitting Raid-wide damage).

While it is true that most content currently isn't MP or healing intensive, Asylum cast on a single person is an individual HoT. Add Regen and you can be free to do whatever while the tank is capable of sustaining himself through your HoTs.

[Risvertasashi]

Sorry to say, but Asylum is one of WHM's most useful healing abilities next to Medica II, Assize, and Tetragrammaton. The fact that it's oGCD and also ticks for 100 over 30s(1000 potency for full duration inside the bubble) makes it invaluable in most situations. Pop Regen/Medica II and you can save on MP and healing, and spare yourself a little time to cast Aero III or Stone III. Assize is also there in the case you want to keep people up during certain situations(i.e. Hard-hitting Raid-wide damage).

While it is true that most content currently isn't MP or healing intensive, Asylum cast on a single person is an individual HoT. Add Regen and you can be free to do whatever while the tank is capable of sustaining himself through your HoTs.

I'll just add a little... Think of it this way:

Asylum is double the potency of Medica II. Does anyone call Medica II useless? Medica II is very expensive and has a fairly long cast time. Asylum is instant and free.

Really the only 'downside' is that it's a GTAoE, and thus a bit situational. But it can almost always be used on at least one person; kiting is not really a thing in this game.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Asylum is double the potency of Medica II. Does anyone call Medica II useless? Medica II is very expensive and has a fairly long cast time. Asylum is instant and free.

Well, there's this thing where you'd use Medica II to slowly top off the group, which in turn becomes mana efficient by itself compared to Medica. Thing about Asylum is that it's technically an AoE HoT zone (hue!), but the range is limited to melees only or forces ranged jobs to move into melee range. Thus resulting into using it for a single target, rather than to heal up a group. For the intended purpose of AoE healing, Asylum is... lacking, if I had to describe it.

Doesn't mean that Asylum's useless; It's free potency healing and used in similar ways as Regen - Even though it's an AoE. It helps conserve MP in the long run when used properly in combination of your entire skill kit.

[winsock]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Again, not saying that Asylum is useless, but it has competitors so it is not quite fair to judge it in the same light as DS / PoM.

Consider these options:
A) medica II -> cleric stance -> dps
B) medica II -> Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps
C) Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps

If option A is sufficient for a scenario, why bother with B or C?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

if option A is sufficient for a scenario, why bother with B or C?

Easy, if option A suffices to keep the tank up while you're in cleric's stance, why wouldn't option C be viable? It has no cost or cast time tied to it either. The same cost and time saved on option C can be spend on damage instead.

However, if it's about group healing, option C is rarely an option due to the fact entire parties are rarely stacked up like that inside asylum. If it happens, option C would be better or even B if it takes that much healing.

[winsock]

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Was referring to a group situation. If single target, I'd pose a similar question subbing medica II for Regen.

There are many healing scenarios where Asylum is just excess, but also can't be used as a substitute. So unlike DS or PoM there are quite a few scenarios where cast Asylum is just wasteful.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Was referring to a group situation. If single target, I'd pose a similar question subbing medica II for Regen.

There are many healing scenarios where Asylum is just excess, but also can't be used as a substitute. So unlike DS or PoM there are quite a few scenarios where cast Asylum is just wasteful.

If it's a group situation, Asylum will never be able to deliver in a lot of scenario's. Primarily due to it's limited range; It's a 12y width compared to 40y width. Although the area is more variable on Asylum, it's coverage is not even a third of Medica II. While Asylum is actually an area heal ability, it is rarely used to heal up entire groups. Two tanks and perhaps a melee at most, but it's limited to applications such as that. Medica II, on the other hand, is used to heal up entire groups. But in contrast with Asylum, it's not something you'd use for one or two targets. In other words: You don't use Asylum in cases where you'd normally use Medica II or vica versa. It's not quite fair to compare it to Divine Seal or Presence of Mind either, which both have completely different uses and purposes.

It's more often used for single target use than not. It is still 800 potency worth at no cost. There are plenty of White Mages that use Medica II for single target purpose as well (sadly). But unlike Asylum, this costs MP, has cast time and generates unnecessary hate that may or may not make the tank's job harder for no reason.

[Subasu]

Reasons I don't use all the tools in my bag:

I don't always need them all.

I use the tools when I need them. Why bother busting out DIvine seal when my standard heals are now more than sufficient? When it wasn't I was popping divine seal like candy. When I need a boost, divine seal. When I need to spam out casts, I use presence of mind. When I NEED them. Not just for random enjoyment factors to *say I'm good cause I popped them*.

What good is laying down Asylum if the tank won't stand in it? Or the DPS? I wasted a CD for nothing.

No, the thing that drives me nuts as DPS when watching a healer (especially WHM since they get esuna at like, level 10!) is when I have a dot on me and the healer ignores me until my HPs get relatively low. Espeically if it's a DoT I can't avoid. It's like most WHM's don't even understand that it costs less mana to esuna than it does to cure off a low HP status....damage management..

Esuna, you have it. Use it

[Fevelle]

No, the thing that drives me nuts as DPS when watching a healer (especially WHM since they get esuna at like, level 10!) is when I have a dot on me and the healer ignores me until my HPs get relatively low. Espeically if it's a DoT I can't avoid. It's like most WHM's don't even understand that it costs less mana to esuna than it does to cure off a low HP status....damage management..

Esuna, you have it. Use it

If you get Bleeding in the second boss of Neverreap, while I'm applying my DoTs and Presence of Mind + Stone III spamming, you will probably bleed a lot, because I'm not wasting 5 seconds of my cooldown just to Esuna you.

[winsock]

If you get Bleeding in the second boss of Neverreap, while I'm applying my DoTs and Presence of Mind + Stone III spamming, you will probably bleed a lot, because I'm not wasting 5 seconds of my cooldown just to Esuna you.

How is esuna wasting 5 seconds?