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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
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    to quote you quoting me:
    "there are occasions where using Asylum is suboptimal"
    "sometimes is just plain better not using asylum"
    "many times its just not worth activating"

    I'm unsure why you are convinced I believe this skill is worthless:
    It's clear I won't be able to convenience you that Asylum is worth your time
    This entire thread is about someone who is wondering if they should be judging WHM based on the frequency of use of their cooldowns. My very first post in this thread points out that there are very clear reasons 'not' to use asylum. In that very post, i clarified scenarios I was talking about:

    "Most content isn't particularly healing or MP intensive. If DS + regen is enough for the tank, there's little point in using Asylum. In AoE scenarios, often I'd find myself encompassing everyone in Asylum, only to have some run out of it and require individual attn anyway. Whereas medica II or cure III would have sufficiently handled the situation in 1 cast."


    You even state:
    In some cases, Regen + CS + PoM [not asylum] IS the right call to make, in other cases Regen + Asylum + CS is the better call
    I'm unsure how this is different from my initial entry:
    "sometimes is just plain better not using asylum"
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
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    Oh, I was never convinced that you felt the skill was worthless. What I was convinced is the fact that you felt there was a multitude of scenarios that you felt Asylum was trumped by another ability and thus Asylum should be considered a backburner ability at best. What most others and myself have been trying to argue is that Asylum is much more effective then you give it credit for. To quote you:

    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    Not saying it isn't a good skill, just that it is niche enough to be worth not casting in many scenarios, and shouldn't be viewed in the same light as DS and PoM
    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    There are many healing scenarios where Asylum is just excess, but also can't be used as a substitute. So unlike DS or PoM there are quite a few scenarios where cast Asylum is just wasteful.
    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    All I'm trying to show is that there are numerous healing scenarios where not casting asylum is actually a small optimization, and that not casting asylum shouldn't be judged the same way as not using DS or PoM, because Asylum competes with other skills.
    There's a difference between "absolutely useless" and "low tier application" and if it seemed like I was implying you were saying it was useless, that most certainly wasn't my intent. I however do believe, given your quotes above, you are undervaluing the power of Asylum and most people on this thread who argued with you on that point do seem to agree. I just ask you re-consider your opinion about Asylum.
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