WHMs and their toolkits

[winsock]

It's free 100 potency/30s regen. The math says it's always worth using when you can for it's 90s cooldown. Even if just one person benefits from the tics, it still got it's use.

But only if another skill can't handle the situation by itself. More hps doesn't necessarily translate to more survivability. In the example with single target, if DS + Regen can is sufficient there's little benefit of adding Asylum on top. If DS+Regen can't handle the dmg, E4E is a better choice during the Regen gcd and so on.

Not saying it isn't a good skill, just that it is niche enough to be worth not casting in many scenarios, and shouldn't be viewed in the same light as DS and PoM

[Fevelle]

But only if another skill can't handle the situation by itself. More hps doesn't necessarily translate to more survivability. In the example with single target, if DS + Regen can is sufficient there's little benefit of adding Asylum on top. If DS+Regen can't handle the dmg, E4E is a better choice during the Regen gcd and so on.

Not saying it isn't a good skill, just that it is niche enough to be worth not casting in many scenarios, and shouldn't be viewed in the same light as DS and PoM

Why not cast it if it's instant and don't cost MP? It's a great asset when running dungeons like Fractal where some mobs have AoE skills and you want to spam Holy without bothering with minor healing to the DPS.

[Ghishlain]

But only if another skill can't handle the situation by itself. More hps doesn't necessarily translate to more survivability. In the example with single target, if DS + Regen can is sufficient there's little benefit of adding Asylum on top. If DS+Regen can't handle the dmg, E4E is a better choice during the Regen gcd and so on.

Not saying it isn't a good skill, just that it is niche enough to be worth not casting in many scenarios, and shouldn't be viewed in the same light as DS and PoM

I treat Asylum as a Divine Seal that's on longer cooldown and higher potency. Regen + Divine Seal is 195 Potency / tick for the equivalent of 33 to 36 seconds (assuming you properly reapply the HoT before Divine Seal wears off). Asylum + Regen is 250 Potency / tick at 24 seconds. No need to combine Divine Seal + Regen + Asylum, but the two separately can handle different levels of damage. You're not always going to have Divine Seal available and a free HoT (even if it's only single target) is still a free HoT that can be stacked with other forms of healing to help normalize the damage coming across.

There's nothing "bad" about Asylum short of skill bloat, in my opinion.

[winsock]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Again, not saying that Asylum is useless, but it has competitors so it is not quite fair to judge it in the same light as DS / PoM.

Consider these options:
A) medica II -> cleric stance -> dps
B) medica II -> Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps
C) Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps

If option A is sufficient for a scenario, why bother with B or C?

[deos]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Again, not saying that Asylum is useless, but it has competitors so it is not quite fair to judge it in the same light as DS / PoM.

Consider these options:
A) medica II -> cleric stance -> dps
B) medica II -> Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps
C) Asylum -> cleric stance -> dps

If option A is sufficient for a scenario, why bother with B or C?

look at it the other way around
if C is sufficient, why bothering wasting mp and an GCD for A or B?
sure that is rarely the case in aoe scenarios but its still true. especially when it comes to single target scenarios

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

look at it the other way around
if C is sufficient, why bothering wasting mp and an GCD for A or B?
sure that is rarely the case in aoe scenarios but its still true. especially when it comes to single target scenarios

I'll just link you to this part of the discussion: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3392561

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

if option A is sufficient for a scenario, why bother with B or C?

Easy, if option A suffices to keep the tank up while you're in cleric's stance, why wouldn't option C be viable? It has no cost or cast time tied to it either. The same cost and time saved on option C can be spend on damage instead.

However, if it's about group healing, option C is rarely an option due to the fact entire parties are rarely stacked up like that inside asylum. If it happens, option C would be better or even B if it takes that much healing.

[winsock]

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Was referring to a group situation. If single target, I'd pose a similar question subbing medica II for Regen.

There are many healing scenarios where Asylum is just excess, but also can't be used as a substitute. So unlike DS or PoM there are quite a few scenarios where cast Asylum is just wasteful.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Was referring to a group situation. If single target, I'd pose a similar question subbing medica II for Regen.

There are many healing scenarios where Asylum is just excess, but also can't be used as a substitute. So unlike DS or PoM there are quite a few scenarios where cast Asylum is just wasteful.

If it's a group situation, Asylum will never be able to deliver in a lot of scenario's. Primarily due to it's limited range; It's a 12y width compared to 40y width. Although the area is more variable on Asylum, it's coverage is not even a third of Medica II. While Asylum is actually an area heal ability, it is rarely used to heal up entire groups. Two tanks and perhaps a melee at most, but it's limited to applications such as that. Medica II, on the other hand, is used to heal up entire groups. But in contrast with Asylum, it's not something you'd use for one or two targets. In other words: You don't use Asylum in cases where you'd normally use Medica II or vica versa. It's not quite fair to compare it to Divine Seal or Presence of Mind either, which both have completely different uses and purposes.

It's more often used for single target use than not. It is still 800 potency worth at no cost. There are plenty of White Mages that use Medica II for single target purpose as well (sadly). But unlike Asylum, this costs MP, has cast time and generates unnecessary hate that may or may not make the tank's job harder for no reason.

[Subasu]

Reasons I don't use all the tools in my bag:

I don't always need them all.

I use the tools when I need them. Why bother busting out DIvine seal when my standard heals are now more than sufficient? When it wasn't I was popping divine seal like candy. When I need a boost, divine seal. When I need to spam out casts, I use presence of mind. When I NEED them. Not just for random enjoyment factors to *say I'm good cause I popped them*.

What good is laying down Asylum if the tank won't stand in it? Or the DPS? I wasted a CD for nothing.

No, the thing that drives me nuts as DPS when watching a healer (especially WHM since they get esuna at like, level 10!) is when I have a dot on me and the healer ignores me until my HPs get relatively low. Espeically if it's a DoT I can't avoid. It's like most WHM's don't even understand that it costs less mana to esuna than it does to cure off a low HP status....damage management..

Esuna, you have it. Use it