useless scholars

[Lastelli]

Ok, if it's 25% then I remembered wrong, but if it heals about the same but can't be as effective in cleric stance or diseased isn't that still a nerf? I mean this topic is about Scholars not dpsing, and I feel lustrate has a contribution factor to it for sure.

And about that deliverance tanking....I'm really wondering if this is intended by SE or not.

Well, you can call it a nerf if you think that not being able to use it in cleric is a big deal. On the other hand it can now crit and it's effective on other party members other than tanks, so if you don't have any problem at stance dancing it can actually be considered as a buff. As for deliverance...out of the 5 new skills WARs received, 3 are the dps version of already existing ones, so if it wasn't intended devs really screwed up.

[MistyMew]

why are 90% of scholars in this game adamant on not wanting to dps? .........I'm at 70-80% hp you don't need to use lustrate ill sort myself out from there. Stick to whm if ya don't wanna dps n find a new game if ya cba or too ignorant to learn how things should be done

I think its time to lay off the dps with our healers. If ppl are comfortable doing both, they will, if not then be an adult and carry on.
If everyone survives then their "job" is complete....period
I dont heal...but its getting really old this complaint and it needs to stop imo.

[Jican]

Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

I would have stopped healing and only dpsed. "Opps, was dpsing and forgot to heal".

[Jican]

Snip from eveything he's said thus far

Seems to me like you're the only l33t one here and everyone else should bow down to your awesomeness. I think you should rewrite all the rules of the universe to fit your exact and only way of doing anything ever at all for the rest of time itself. I still have the inkling that someone will botch that up too so you can find another outlet to tell people they're bad.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

It can still be viewed as a nerf if you look at it strictly from being able to heal through debuffs and cleric stance. But in terms of healing power, lustrate actually got a boost/buff.

Is it affected by debuffs? I was doing Ramuh EX the other day with solo tank and even when they had 3 overcharges, lustrate was still doing the same amount

[Leigaon]

I've come into mostly healers who just have a lack of understanding or maybe just don't care? Not just scholars, all of them. There are plenty reasons that some users do not DPS, though I'm noticing the extreme of DPS or not DPS'ing being common. I wonder if it's because they're doing FATES so much that they're loosing out on the extra tid-bits you can only get while jumping into dungeons?

I was tanking Darkhold last night and we kept dying. It was a mixture of two things, the healer dying standing in aoe's on trash and the Arcanist (not smn.) kept running too far ahead and would get hate from the next set of mobs that wander around. The healer in the end could not heal the second boss, didn't use regen and popped all cool downs before going in, otherwise just stood there.

I had a hard time staying alive so I looked at her gear, it was up to date except on the accessory side which was left blank except two VIT pieces.

On the other hand I've had players come in who only dps jobs previously and were new to healing, some don't DPS it's a bit of pressure to anticipate the party's HP so you're sure you have time to DPS then heal.

Then there's other times when the party stands in everything and you get no time to heal. Then..there's the I'm tired, I just need this run my mind is sooo far away from this dungeon that I'm already checked out lol.

[Blessedbythesun]

Is it affected by debuffs? I was doing Ramuh EX the other day with solo tank and even when they had 3 overcharges, lustrate was still doing the same amount

If I remember right, lustrate can cure through healing down debuffs because it counts as an "ability" and not healing magic.

[Blessedbythesun]

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Sounds like you just had terrible teammates. One who doesn't understand their job and game mechanics, and the other who doesn't understand party basics and roles.

[Risvertasashi]

Is it affected by debuffs? I was doing Ramuh EX the other day with solo tank and even when they had 3 overcharges, lustrate was still doing the same amount

I assumed it would be affected by debuffs but, as Blessedbythesun noted, it seems some of them only affect spells. I'm now wondering how it interacts with other debuffs...

Regardless, Cleric Stance does affects both spells and abilities. Benediction is the only healing action that isn't affected by CS now, AFAIK, and that can't be cheesed much thanks to its 5 minute CD.

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Yeah, honestly, a lot of the time if I don't DPS on my healer it's because I just got done a long raid night or something and I'm pretty much a zombie by that point. I've also noticed that there seems to be some polarizing around the subject, probably because people hold such strong opinions.

Personally, outside of the current raid tier, my view is "DPS if you want to/feel comfortable/etc". But, meanwhile, the two sides will rage at each other...

[RadiantRay]

I dps because the healers in this game have no other option to do anything else but dps when your party is topped off. We don't have any significant supporting skills or any debuffing/buffing responsibilities so the only other thing I resort to when I don't need to heal is dps. I mean I've been playing healers and mmorpgs for about 7 years now some get them right, some don't. This game in particular could use some work on the healer roles and give us some responsibility other than iheallol.
How about halfing the potency of all the Stone skills for whm as an example and give them a debuff that lasts for 5 or 7 seconds that decreases the enemies defense or magic resistance by 10%. Or an insta buff that increases raid offense by 10% that lasts for 20 seconds with a 15 second cd?

Short version: The reason you see so many healers doing nothing when everyone's topped off is because there's nothing do once everyone's topped off besides dpsing.