Extreme Dungeons | Not Extreme (insert boss name here)

[Judge_Xero]

Hard to say whether it is worth the effort of production. Players always take the path of least resistance.

i.e. Easy Dungeon with 40 Tomes > Exteme with 40 Tomes

Easy with 40 Tomes that takes 20 mins > Exteme for 60 Tomes that takes 40 mins

Extreme for 100 Tomes > Easy for 40 Tomes = too hard plz nerf or I'll cancel my sub.

[Nox]

Hard to say whether it is worth the effort of production. Players always take the path of least resistance.

i.e. Easy Dungeon with 40 Tomes > Exteme with 40 Tomes

Easy with 40 Tomes that takes 20 mins > Exteme for 60 Tomes that takes 40 mins

Extreme for 100 Tomes > Easy for 40 Tomes = too hard plz nerf or I'll cancel my sub.

A simple solution here is to have the extreme dungeons give best ilvl gear (think of them as the new "extreme" content) or have the dungeons drop gear equal in value to current best tome gear (ala esoteric) but have them be pink and thus, meld-able. That would actually alleviate quite a few issues with the economy and current gear progression.

[AskaRay]

Tam-tara Extreme: The Return of Edda Pureheart


I'm waiting squeenix

[NovaLevossida]

They said they wouldn't make Aurum Vale Hard. Too much work they said. It's a 1.0 dungeon they said. Not enough interest they said.

But then they made Aurum Vale Extreme. Rejoice, for now there's a single dungeon in the game that makes you pay attention.

[Galactimus]

The main thing I agree with is the fact that raiding should not have become an unforgiving DPS check in Alex Savage. In Coil you could have a few deaths, mess up a few mechanics, and still recover. There were soft and hard enrage timers but your Tanks and Healers didn't have to turn themselves into full-time DPS in order to clear it. It helped a lot but it wasn't necessary.


In AS3 you're forced to put both Tanks in their DPS stance 95% of the fight in almost full Slaying gear. And yet if you have a single death or an Entropy goes off you'll fail the DPS check enrage timer. This is assuming its the parties first clear and they don't have AS3 drops yet. It's even worse if you've got a Paladin and don't have a Ninja. At this point you are praying to RNG that both hands High Five each other twice just to shave off an extra 1-2% HP.


The enrage timer should have been a little more forgiving for non-optimal party setups and a MT that actually gets to use Tank stance.

[Shiki_Lockhart]

I just started Alexander savage recently but the fight is a joke, all of them. You just need to remove the dps check and is a faceroll... coil was more skill and teamwork. Alexander is not fun all and just doing it because there isn't anything better to do.

[Nox]

I just started Alexander savage recently but the fight is a joke, all of them. You just need to remove the dps check and is a faceroll... coil was more skill and teamwork. Alexander is not fun all and just doing it because there isn't anything better to do.

AS1 and AS2 are more along the lines of Pure DPS checks. AS3 actually incorporates quite a hefty amount of non-forgiving mechanics along with dps checks. lol

[Brannigan]

I want relevant/even slightly challenging dungeon content more than anything in this game. People at the live event cheered when they saw Pharos hard mode, but there's no way it'll be anything but faceroll content. Extreme primal difficulty (and maybe some that go as high as like entry level coil difficulty) would be perfect if the rewards were there. Just don't put them in Roulette.

[AlphaFox]

Its funny I see people saying they want hard content, dungeons and such but then when it comes down to it they always end up saying "I run X cus its quicker/easier"

[SpookyGhost]

Its funny I see people saying they want hard content, dungeons and such but then when it comes down to it they always end up saying "I run X cus its quicker/easier"

If there is an easier option for the same reward, people will do the easier option. Make the more challenging versions drop better/unique stuff and people will do the challenging ones.