Extreme Dungeons | Not Extreme (insert boss name here)

[Nox]

It's taken me quite some time to realize this, but I feel the main element lacking in XIV are actually challenging dungeons. Something above the difficulty level of World of Darkness and the new 24 man raid-that is exclusive to either 8 or 4 man set-ups.

I'm quite sick and tired of Alexander Savage, and I've just recently started on AS3 savage. (the entire Alexander savage stuff is exceedingly lame, unfortunately, and normal mode just compounds that fact).

While coil was fun and had its challenges, what kept me going there was the story (not even really the fights or the mechanics). Alexander, on the other hand, has neither interesting mechanics nor a story to make up for a lack of said interesting mechanics.

Devs, I don't know to what degree this has been thought over on your end, but please stop ONLY creating extreme encounters that are essentially a singular boss with numerous mechanics and nothing else. Give us a complete extreme dungeon, a brand new dungeon (not a rehashed extreme version of an old one).

-Also, it would be greatly appreciated if you guys came up with something other than time attacks and DPS checks to beat these difficult encounters. I would prefer harder mechanics to deal with over enrage timers and DPS checks.

Thoughts?

[Jynx]

This game has to speeds.

Face roll
Soul crushing

Pick your poison.

[Nox]

This game has to speeds.

Face roll
Soul crushing

Pick your poison.

I want to have my cake and eat it too?

[Frostei]

IMO this isn't your game if you're looking for something like that.

[Nox]

IMO this isn't your game if you're looking for something like that.

They can just make two versions of the dungeon (Normal & Extreme) if they really wanted to appease the general population. My primary point here is that singular boss encounters (which are the current status Quo for extreme content) are unimaginative and annoying. The ultimate mechanic is always the same: DPS DPS DPS to beat that enrage timer.

I know these devs have it in them to create encounters that are more intuitive and rewarding. I would even go as far as saying that the normal mode should have the difficulty level of say, the current 24 man raids, just dialed down to 4 or 8 man setups.

[MentheusDreyar]

They tried making harder "casual content" which dungeons are, because everyone has to be able to do them, and you know how that turned out... see Steps of Faith. The performance of the general player is far too poor to allow anything challenging in that type of content because when enough bad players moan SE are sadly forced to nerf it into the ground or start losing income.

I fully agree we need harder content in general, but until the average skill level pick up we wont see that and hard content will be resigned to trials and raids.

[Malevicton]

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Definitely agree in general, but tbf SoF gated the entire expac. That was a pretty bad time to try and introduce more challenging content on SE's part.

[MentheusDreyar]

Definitely agree in general, but tbf SoF gated the entire expac. That was a pretty bad time to try and introduce more challenging content on SE's part.

Oh yeah i agree it was bad timing, but nerfing it too far and making it faceroll seems to be too common :L if they are gonna make it too easy they might as well not bother with it at all... and this is probably a main factor to the number of bad players, there's no incentive to get better when everything is nerfed to the ground not long after its introduced...

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They tried making harder "casual content" which dungeons are, because everyone has to be able to do them, and you know how that turned out... see Steps of Faith. The performance of the general player is far too poor to allow anything challenging in that type of content because when enough bad players moan SE are sadly forced to nerf it into the ground or start losing income.

I fully agree we need harder content in general, but until the average skill level pick up we wont see that and hard content will be resigned to trials and raids.

The problem was steps of faith was a two face issue.

- It was Required in the main storyline so you got tons of people not good. If it was for example: A raid after crystal tower it would of been easier because people would have gear for it.

- It rewarded nothing.

I completed it when it was challenging.

They said they wouldn't make Aurum Vale Hard. Too much work they said. It's a 1.0 dungeon they said. Not enough interest they said.

But then they made Aurum Vale Extreme. Rejoice, for now there's a single dungeon in the game that makes you pay attention.

AV isn't hard, its a poorly designed dungeon that is more frustrating then anything else since it punishes you for trying to do it faster and the monsters have overbloated health.

[NovaLevossida]

AV isn't hard, its a poorly designed dungeon that is more frustrating then anything else since it punishes you for trying to do it faster and the monsters have overbloated health.

I'm talking about Aurum Vale Extreme, not Aurum Vale.

If you think AV punishes you for going fast, well, yeah. It's one of the few times in this game where content asks you to think before running into a room blindly and AoEing everything down.