Can we have relevant loot drops from Ex Primals?

[zosia]

Yeah, because people in i90 gear in 2.0-2.1 were oh so terribly geared.

If you were trying to separate yourself from the hardcore elitist crowd with posts like that and the other thread you made... well, it isn't working.



It's like you totally ignored what I just said about me not sweating the small stuff.

At this point, I don't care what people think on here any more as people like you made me give up on that point weeks ago. My position in many of my threads will be carried by the unsub stats that SE is seeing with the current meta. Money talks and BS walks.

As to your second point, just taking a page out of your playbook baby. I don't need to address any of your points. I can just reduce your position to "I wanna play the way I wanna play, even if it means I am terrible."

Because the only proper way to play an MMO to you is to be obsessed with getting the absolute best stuff?

Duly noted.

That was not your point, your point was that there was no meaningful reward from the other two EX primals at the time. You are wrong. It happens, no one is right all the time ^_^ cheer up buckaroo! Just because you let your itemization go to the dogs does not mean other players play like you. There were plenty of meaningful rewards to be had, you just did not find it rewarding.

[Fynlar]

You're free to do that, but I think getting all uppity over a dozen stat points or whatever, in a game that is far more about reaction speed and foresight than it is about sheer numbers, is going to say a lot more about you than it does about me.

That was not your point, your point was that there was no meaningful reward from the other two EX primals at the time.

And there wasn't. I still stand by that.

Keep trying to justify all the time you spent on Titan EX all you want, but you won't convince me~

[SendohJin]

Keep trying to justify all the time you spent on Titan EX all you want, but you won't convince me~

nobody has to justify their time. the fact that some players did spend time is what's important. nobody spent that kind of time on Bismarck or Ramuh EX.

[zosia]

You're free to do that, but I think getting all uppity over a dozen stat points or whatever, in a game that is far more about reaction speed and foresight than it is about sheer numbers, is going to say a lot more about you than it does about me.


And there wasn't. I still stand by that.

Keep trying to justify all the time you spent on Titan EX all you want, but you won't convince me~

To be honest, Garuda was the only one with a meaningful reward because unless you could do coil it was the only way you were getting a second i90 ring.

I never felt compelled to farm Titan/Ifrit for anything other than the pony because you could just grab myth accessories and call it a day.

To be honest, Garuda was the only one with a meaningful reward because unless you could do coil it was the only way you were getting a second i90 ring.

To be honest, Garuda was the only one with a meaningful reward because

was the only one with a meaningful reward

meaningful reward

lolololololololololol, it was your original point!

You seem to have forgotten the first post you replied to this thread with. I broke it down for you to digest a bit easier.

I don't need to justify anything to you, nor was I trying to. Content is fun too! Titan EX was one of the best fights of ARR. IT was a fun fight to do on top of having BiS gear, furniture items, mounts, a weekly quest for a weapon AND a triple triad card to boot.

LOL get outta here. I don't get uppity about BiS, I enjoy it. It's fun pushing my character to it's limits, to the best of my own abilities. The laundry list of other rewards also servers as great incentives.

[SpookyGhost]

BiS meant very, very little in 2.0-2.1. Secondary stats scaled worse then than they ever have, and if you were a tank then melded Gryphonskin outweighed any jewelry from the Primals or from Mythology (and Gryphonskin was insanely easy to cap). There were some good weapons for those progressing in Coil at the time, like the Dual Haken for gaining accuracy or the Elfin Bow for dropping some (and SS), but that really depended on what your other gear was like and whether you were progressing in Coil at all (whether you'd cleared already or just weren't bothered).

However, I do think that the original HM Primal quest and the original EX Primal quest were the best and most useful ones. The Garuda ring, as mentioned, was really valuable if you were having bad luck in Coil or if you weren't doing Coil at all. The weapon quest also provided something to do weekly to get weapons, and the fights were fun/challenging so it didn't feel like a chore and it felt rewarding. Similarly, the HM Primal quest for your Relic in 2.0 felt really rewarding and once you downed Titan HM you felt like a champ. I think EX Primals got shoved into being used just for filler gear, and while I like Ravana/Bismarck's loot system I don't like that both of them dropped weapons. Once you can clear Ravana, Bismarck no longer matters at all, and that feels really wasteful.

Hopefully they understand what people want out of EX Primals now after we've gone through Ramuh EX and Bismarck EX... but only time will tell. I think the next Relic quest in 3.1 and the EX Primal we get will be indicative of how things will go from here on. Cross your fingers that it's not garbage.

[Mature]

nobody has to justify their time. the fact that some players did spend time is what's important. nobody spent that kind of time on Bismarck or Ramuh EX.

In all honestly it took me about quite a few months to actually clear titan ex. Garuda was another one that took me a while.... It doesn't feel like that with Ravana and Bish. The good thing about Shiva and ramuh was the accessories were useful (to me) and managed to carry on farming them , specially Ramuh. It just doesn't feel like that anymore.

I just hope next ex primal drops ring or other accessories ilvl 210 or 200

[Azper]

I don't get uppity about BiS...

No offense, but all I've seen you do is go on some tirade against him about BiS.

[zosia]

No offense, but all I've seen you do is go on some tirade against him about BiS.

Yeah, at the end of the day, I don't care if another player cares about BiS, to each their own! It takes all kind to prop up a game like this. Certainly, I would be more reasonable with most users here, but I have noticed that guy likes to troll threads. I don't have any decent regard for such people and treat them accordingly.

[Alahra]

Once you can clear Ravana, Bismarck no longer matters at all, and that feels really wasteful.

That they've made Primals relatively unattractive for so long has always bothered me really. They contain some of the most unique models, tend to have novel mechanics, and they're some of the only content that always has unique music, just for them. You'd think they'd want all that effort to be meaningful and exciting to the players for a solid amount of time (at the very least, for as long as the ~3 month period in which they are current content). It would mean they have to develop a little less content to keep everyone busy, which you'd think would be a primary goal.

Granted, to a certain degree, the original EX Primals were closer to raid difficulty than not, so I can understand the later ones generally being somewhat easier, but I think they toned down the rewards a bit too much in the end to go along with that.

[SummerStar]

I just love how the development is going for this all...

3.0 hits, EX primals(Ravana) are cool, Bismarck fight is a joke though because Exapanse weapon is wiped by Hive Weapon immediately, which you can totally get without having to upgrade to a bismarck weapon to clear Ravana EX.

about 2 weeks later 3.01 hits with Alexander, Hive weapon is still prominent for a bit as a bis for everyone.

about 2 weeks pass again? 3.05 comes out, it took 3 weeks to actually get an esoteric weapon and now the EX primals content is completely wiped out unless people are getting hive weapons for alts.

So the Hive weapon was BiS for about... 2 months? That'd be more of a impressive time if 3.0 wasn't a 5 month patch.

I see new players in pf who were late to the 3.0 launch just trying to clear BEX to get to REX, but no one wants to join because there's no point to EX primals anymore, so this new guy is sitting all alone in a pf.

I found him Idyllshire and /hug'd him.

like if you cried.