To stay with my savage raid group, or leave...

[Isius]

Like everyone else has been saying, if its not fun anymore, you should probably stop raiding, or maybe find a new group to raid with. I have stopped raiding myself recently, mostly due to the difficulty of the raid scene now, as opposed to how it was in coil, but that's a different story. Best thing you can do if you're leaving is give them 2 weeks notice, and that gives them time to find a rep. If they find one sooner, then you can get out sooner if you plan on leaving that is. If you stay, good luck.

P.S: Savage Gear is only to complete savage, so don't make yourself feel like you need it to do other stuff, you don't.

Mmm...never really said anything about gear. Gear is gear, so it is whatever. Gear really is a moot point to me, it does help when you in progressing in Savage with the more Savage gear you get as you go, but you really shouldn't expect for that gear to carry you, you have to carry yourself. I just want to raid, and beat savage before the next one is out. Since I find challenge fun. I think that is fair. I rather not be a echo warrior of light with all the challenge heavily reduced, but that is just me. Others play for other reasons, and so does everyone else ingame. I just look forward to raiding more then doing other content ingame anymore.

[Ashkendor]

A2S is more about the positioning of the mob packs and the efficient use of the gobwalker than it is about any one person's DPS. That's not to say that DPS is unimportant, but more to emphasize that piling things up properly makes or breaks you. If you have mobs running across the room after the BLM, that's way more of a DPS loss than having a PLD instead of a WAR is. People need to stand together so that the goblins mob up. Use healer aggro where you can - Cover is useful for when you're doing this so the healer doesn't end up dead. Honestly, if people aren't going to listen and execute the strategy correctly, they can't be all that interested in clearing and you may be better off either finding a way to remove the problem members or finding yourself another group.

I think you're right that if people are having problems cooperating to clear A2S, then A3S is going to be all but impossible.

[MerleSirlos]

Tension in a group is not good. You should talk to them about the static situation. what they want to do regarding progression, how they want to do it, if the pacing is OK for everyone, and so on. Be aware that A3 will be harder, if you are starting to have tension now, You will most likely explode in A3 if nothing changes. With that you should be able to decide if you want to continue with them or not.

On a second time (if you decide to stay), you can try to improve the group as a whole. Looks to me there is a lack in confidence from the healers. Propose changes one at a time in the following way: "Maybe we should try this because reasons." explain why that might help, ask the to explain why not if they don't seem to agree. Don't try to change too many things in one go. For example, you could propose to switch stance during one specific wave, if it doesn't work, go back, if it works fine, add changes to another wave and so on.

[Isius]

On a second time (if you decide to stay), you can try to improve the group as a whole. Looks to me there is a lack in confidence from the healers. Propose changes one at a time in the following way: "Maybe we should try this because reasons." explain why that might help, ask the to explain why not if they don't seem to agree. Don't try to change too many things in one go. For example, you could propose to switch stance during one specific wave, if it doesn't work, go back, if it works fine, add changes to another wave and so on.

Been there, done that.

Large part of any input is normally responsed with firm no's, or outright ignored like I have been saying, aka them not even bothering to take any input I say. No responses aka ignored. Yes, I really do not have much confidence in the healers even though they claim to be good like I said before, having to use Clemancy while mting is...kinda flawed, and shouldn't really be happening, but I have gotten used to it. I think I'm just tired of staying with this group. I only stayed for so long because of my friend. But I just don't see this group going much farther. They will likely beat A2S with or without me it doesn't matter, but after that I just see them hitting a very tall wall that they will likely never able to climb.

I have already given notice I will be leaving in a few weeks time. Meantime I am going to give myself a few weeks break from Savage, while I think about what to do next.

thx for the responses guys.