Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Taika]

1. I am so glad stroneskin not existing will count as a good reason not to use it.
2. There were problems the entire way through they could not hold hate at all.
3. Stoneskin has nearly twice the cast time but ends up lasting about as long as an adlo by itself. Casting it between every single piece of trash in a level 41 dungeon is tedious, excessive, and definitely didn't help them tank better or me dps more.

If the tank was having problems holding hate, you could (should!) have told them to use tank stance more. But that's on them, not you, and them having issues with that has nothing to do with if you're buffing your tank between pulls or not. To be honest, I don't understand how you find casting one spell between pulls when you have absolutely nothing to do "tedious". It's been self evident for me since this game was released and I don't consider it any trouble at all. And yeah it's not any super boost to mitigation, but I think of it as a "I can do this one thing that helps a bit while I have nothing else to do, so of course I should do it". I don't know if it's been expected from me since I've always done it in any case, but I have seen tanks stopping to Stoneskin themselves if a healer doesn't do it while I've been playing a DD job. Now that is tedious.

[Texa]

"I can do this one thing that helps a bit while I have nothing else to do, so of course I should do it"

I had plenty to do, I had to keep the no tank stance tank and the ninja alive because mobs were constantly going after them to the point where I was nearly running out mp the entire dungeon on scholar and had to use my raid hq max ethers to manage. I asked the tank, they said "I'm not using it to keep my dps up". I just wanted to finish and leave at that point.

What's tedious is this "discussion". If you want to want to keep using stoneskin like that more power to you. I for one am pleased it's going in the trash.

[HyoMinPark]

To just add in my (uninvited) 2 gil on the Stoneskin discussion: I sub-main AST, and I literally only Stoneskin tanks before bosses. Sometimes I will before a large pull, but the Stoneskin is usually gone before they even finish chain-pulling so I just got to where I don't waste the MP on it anymore. I kind of agree that asking for it between every pull in Stone Vigil is a tad excessive and unnecessary. I know the mobs hit hard but that Stoneskin will last 1-2 hits if even that. Not as much as an Adlo would though.


Anyways, returned to PotD. Floor 111 now. Please wish me luck this go around. ;_;
And thank you, Vidu, for your words of encouragement! I know I can't give up! I gotta do this!

[Urthdigger]

That's...
Excessive.



I'd be sorely tempted to kick you...
Possibly report for the spam...


>.<;

And yet with most of the parties I wind up in, unfortunately necessary

[Beatrice]

I'm not a fan of CS changes that are coming but I really hope it helps minimize the number of, frankly, lazy healers.

I'm glad Cleric Stance will be dead. I did a leveling dungeon as AST, I believe it was Dusk Vigil. The tank seemed to be doing okay with pulls, so I'd switch into Cleric and DPS after throwing them a Regen. Well, we got to a pull that got a little crazy so I switch Cleric Stance off, pop Lightspeed and.... Oh wait, Cleric Stance DID NOT come off and now the tank is dead. And I always feel like people don't believe me when I tell them, sometimes Cleric Stance doesn't come off even when you 100% hit the correct button to take it the heck off! Me and the Dragoon ended up being the last two standing. We finished off the mobs that were left over but the tank was not impressed.

I've been a healer main since 1.0 going from WHM, to SCH when it debuted in 2.0, and now to AST so while I was annoyed with myself for the death, I can see how someone just learning a healing class would probably feel very upset and be very reluctant to go back to the Stance Dance. I'm really hoping that the change to Cleric Stance will change some hearts and people won't be so nervous to DPS.

For the record, I'm 100% Pro-Healer DPS but I've always hated Cleric Stance.

[VanilleFang]

I've never had issues with CS. Some claim it has a delay, some claim it doesn't come off, others claim it's clunky. I've never noticed any issues my self, but yeah I understand why some newer healers would be nervous. I never expect healers who are new to the role to properly DPS with CS. That being said, there are a lot if lazy healers out there who can't be bothered to do anything worth anything. Like I said, a fairly experienced SCH on the lowest level next to only Sastasha. SCH can literally function as a third DPS when in Dungeons that low. Eos/Selene heal way more than enough. Physick is just overkill.

I really really hope the CS changes change some of thus. Because now there will be no reason to sit around and do nothing even if you are new.

[Beatrice]

I've never had issues with CS. Some claim it has a delay, some claim it doesn't come off, others claim it's clunky. I've never noticed any issues my self, but yeah I understand why some newer healers would be nervous. I never expect healers who are new to the role to properly DPS with CS. That being said, there are a lot if lazy healers out there you can't be bothered to do anything worth anything. Luke I said, a fairly experienced SCH on the lowest level xi from next to only Sastasha. SCH can literally function as a third DPS when in Dungeons that low. Eos/Selene heal way more than enough. Physick is just overkill.

I've been lucky enough to avoid this phenomenon only because 95% of my experience with this game has been as a healer of some type. You can DEFINITELY get away with only letting the fairy heal in Sastasha unless the tank is some kind of special sort of bad.

[KisaiTenshi]

Been running a lot of Main Scenario roulette for poetics to get up RDM and SAM. Recently felt the need to make this macro.

Run it solo. Took me about 75 minutes on WHM (No seriously, unless you just want to challenge yourself, it's basically just annoying more than challenging, but I wanted to see how facerolled it has become. And yes i know there's no reward for doing this.)

Most of the time wasted was Cid being a slowpoke.


Had a recent Aurum Vale run with two BLM DPS that at the first boss they're both taking dirt naps, I didn't see what they were doing, so when we come back to the boss again, one DPS dies, the other DPS is bouncing around taking all the Morbol fruit and not DPS'ing. Oooohkay.

I know everyone hates on Aurum Vale for that specific mechanic, clearly everyone has played it before, though that DPS appeared to only have leveled BLM. What I don't get is why this guy felt the need to take all of them?

[Aramina]

I know everyone hates on Aurum Vale for that specific mechanic, clearly everyone has played it before, though that DPS appeared to only have leveled BLM. What I don't get is why this guy felt the need to take all of them?

Did you happen to tell him to eat a fruit? I have only had this situation once (on first boss) and I kept saying in party chat "eat a fruit" "please eat a fruit" and they wouldn't and they died. I ressed them and said "please eat a fruit when you get 3 stacks" and he ran around and ate all the fruit even when it respawned. I guess he was mad that he died? IDK. We ended up wiping because of no fruit for the rest of the group. We kicked him after that and got someone that ate fruit properly.... but really I have no idea what he thought he was doing.

[Vidu]

I'm trying to finally finish my bard-relic and since I should only need a few more runs, I dont want to join a farm-party (I'd feel bad for dropping out after 3 runs or so), so DF it is!
A1S-queues are still fast enough, the fight still goes well enough and most people in there actually want light themself so they know what they're doing.

...except this scholar and the pair of tanks I just got (reminder: all hunting for their relic!).
First the tanks because they werent that big of a problem: we couldnt kill them in time, so we would have needed to split. Even called that out in chat, except the tanks... didnt split them. So we wiped three times to the explosions, great!

Why was the scholar the bigger problem then, you ask? Good question! They were one of those "I dont dps"-healers. No dps. At all. Instead they would "heal" in the most stupid way possible: Casting stoneskins(!) mid-fight on people, casting physick and adlo as soon as some just got so much as a scratch, I didnt saw their proper AoE-heal (you know the one that consumes one aetherflow) once, their fairy was basically out of work. When asked to dps they claimed they were basically solo-healing this (the whm was actually clever enough not to stupidly overheal and dps) and got pretty defensive - I even tried to explain why they should stop casting stoneskin mid-fight, but they would continue to do so.
I just wanted to take their relic away... no one should have their relic when they know so little about their class >.<