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  1. #9471
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    Leadleaf's Avatar
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    Erilsa Leadleaf
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Some people just have a thing about it. I don't understand it, but I can verify that it's a thing.
    I probably would if any of these people shown a lick of remorse when challenged over their shortcomings first. But their usual snark or aggressive apathy keeps me clear over it.
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  2. #9472
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    Falling Tower
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    Malboro
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    Monk Lv 80
    What's up with bossy beavers in dead content?

    I did a few "legacy/obsolete" instances recently for nostalgia - namely Garuda EX and lab/st/wod - and in each was at least one person who spent more time explaining mechanics and ordering people around than healing (yes they were all healers). I don't know who they thought they were helping.

    To the AST who thought the raid of all 60s - all who had clearly done lab many times - needed your constant all-caps orders and explanations, please be quiet.
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    Last edited by Daemic; 05-16-2017 at 04:59 PM.

  3. #9473
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    Watachy's Avatar
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    Koda Ko
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    Ninja Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemic View Post
    What's up with bossy beavers in dead content?

    I did a few "legacy/obsolete" instances recently for nostalgia - namely Garuda EX and lab/st/wod - and in each was at least one person who spent more time explaining mechanics and ordering people around than healing (yes they were all healers). I don't know who they thought they were helping.
    "This guy is giving advice to newcomers, f*** this guy !"

    That's the kind of mentality i just can't stand.
    As a mentor it's just horrible when people don't wanna communicate, listen or try to understand things.
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  4. #9474
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    Falling Tower
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    Malboro
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    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    "This guy is giving advice to newcomers, f*** this guy !"

    That's the kind of mentality i just can't stand.
    As a mentor it's just horrible when people don't wanna communicate, listen or try to understand things.
    I'm sorry you misunderstood. A raid of 60s without a "new player bonus" alert at the beginning means nobody needs your all-caps orders.
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  5. #9475
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I've only vote kicked one person to date, and it was a rude healer who decided he wanted to full clear the Stone Vigil without telling the tank, and thus started pulling enemies from side rooms while the former was busy following the usual path.

    When we inevitably wiped, he had the nerve to blame the tank for it, then started threatening to report them for "harassment" when they tried to explain proper etiquette to them in a perfectly civil manner.
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  6. #9476
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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemic View Post
    I'm sorry you misunderstood. A raid of 60s without a "new player bonus" alert at the beginning means nobody needs your all-caps orders.
    Don't be so sure about that. Yeah, they had all done it at least once before - but for some it might have months since the first and only time they did that instance.
    If nothing else reading this thread should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that some people won't know what to do even if they have done the content before.

    Too much explanation is often better than too little.
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  7. #9477
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    Watachy's Avatar
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    Koda Ko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemic View Post
    I'm sorry you misunderstood. A raid of 60s without a "new player bonus" alert at the beginning means nobody needs your all-caps orders.
    My bad.

    But as someone said, if you're experienced wipes, i don't see anything wrong in giving advices. Moreover about the synch ARR primals, people have been farming them unsynch since years.
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  8. #9478
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    All caps isn't probably the best way to put it across, but yeah I'm a healer and in legacy trials I've often got plenty of time between dots where making some (More polite I'll add!) calls can be more beneficial to the group than just spamming Malefic, my Ramuh story mode roulette yesterday was a prime example of this.
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  9. #9479
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    Arnar Grande
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aosha View Post
    This run I also found out that Deadly Thrust is indeed worth its name on a DPS. 24k out of my 23k monk HP with Foresight on.
    Yeah that attack hits hard even as a tank. As shown here, it hits pretty hard with no cooldowns. A healer in the Reddit Discord said "it only hits for 20k" as a response to me saying it hits pretty hard with no cds. Like yeah, if you don't count Shield Oath/Grit/Inner Beast as a cooldown sure it's only 20k.
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    Last edited by YitharV2; 05-16-2017 at 06:58 PM.

  10. #9480
    Player SagaSoluna's Avatar
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    Ru Ruura
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    Midgardsormr
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    Armorer Lv 60
    I needed to finish the Heavensward Post Dragonsong storyline to be ready for Stormblood so this meant that i was "Forced" to tank a few story-related dungeons.
    As i did not do PVE content for many months now, i was a bit rusty and worried but i needed to get it done, so i queued up.

    The first three dungeons were quite fun and i had no issues whatsoever tanking and keeping aggro and players were overall okay with my performance.
    However, the final story dungeon ¿Baelsar´s wall? was a completely different story.

    My iLVL barely reached the minimum (225?) to enter the dungeon but everyone else was ilv260/280 geared, including one very dps obsessed Monk.
    Between the fact that i am not the greatest tank and the fact everyone else was way better geared than me, i was having trouble keeping aggro on myself in some instances.

    Everyone else but the Monk told me not to worry and simply accepted to slow down a bit the pace so that it would be manageable for me, as they understood it was not easy for me given the circumstances.
    However, the Monk kept huffing and puffing and just going all out on every pull and every boss before i could even build some aggro, stealing them for himself over and over again, cue a lot of insults going my way.

    Furthermore, the Healer complained to the Monk about the fact that he was not dodging any of the monsters attacks to which the Monk answered that he was trying to maximize his dps and that when he did guild runs, he did not need to dodge or worry about aggro.

    I asked him to please just slow down a bit for the sake of letting me build some aggro but he refused outright and insulted me for the rest of the dungeon, and complained that the others would not kick me.
    Finally, on the last boss, as soon as i pulled him he jumped forward and unleashed hell which promptly caused the boss to target him, and then cast the beam attack which caused him to die.

    He refused res and said he would not res ´til they got another tank.
    We still managed to kill the boss without him.

    Now, it is not that i cannot see his points and that i should have tanked better or gear up a bit before joining, and i understand that when you are burnt from doing the same dungeon that gives you no upgrades whatsoever, it may be a bit frustrating to get stuck with a slow/new tank that will not pull half a dungeon and survive to live the tale.

    But his attitude and his obsession with being top dps did nothing to help the situation and just made for a very frustrating run for everyone.

    But hey, at least i made friends with the healer.
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    Last edited by SagaSoluna; 05-16-2017 at 06:55 PM.

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