Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kuroka]

Doing Sohr Khai and Nidhogg with someone from my fc... first we had an healer with lv 58 gear (weapon!) and barely managed to beat the boss at the end, then we qued up for nidhogg... first run, we had him...



That this is even possible...

[bounddreamer]

Doing Sohr Khai and Nidhogg with someone from my fc... first we had an healer with lv 58 gear (weapon!) and barely managed to beat the boss at the end, then we qued up for nidhogg... first run, we had him...



That this is even possible...

Were those crafting pants?!

[Amirya]

PF group to work on the anima trials. Leviathan has my brother (the sole tank) wind up carrying us because the rest of us missed the generator. Ravana has one of the healers hanging out sniffing said brother's butt (and getting himself cleaved all to hell), but we win. Then we get to Bismarck. We're suddenly 1 tank (as we have been), 1 healer (the butt-sniffing healer), 1 drg, and 5 (FIVE!) brd.

And then the healer spends his time screaming at us to separate the wind/water snakes. Which can't be done because the drg is doing his best to tank one of them, but is losing aggro all over the place to the brd, and people die, and the healer screams some more, and then we wipe.

After the second wipe, the healer is screaming some more. Separate, separate separate. No explanation of how, since we have no other Provoke or Taunt.

The group was disbanded after that. So my brother and I just go DF, and get paired up with the DRG, the SCH turned BRD, and the party leader from before.

Easy peasy.

[Mysterysword]

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Why should a tank have to be the one paying extra attention just so a lazy healer doesn't have to care about paying attention? Sure, spamming HoTs is fun. I like doing it all the time as a healer. But if the pull is about to die, I don't need to cast a HoT, since healers happen to have heal spells other than regens.

Now, do I happen to have left HoTs up on a tank at the end of a pull? Of course I have, countless times. It's a bad habit of mine. It is nothing but sheer laziness on my part. That's what it is and that's what I'm going to call it, instead of blaming the tank.

[NovaLevossida]

Yup. I'm aware. But I'm still of the mind that precasting HoTs is just unnecessary and bad practice. Why give yourself unneeded enmity when the tank or party isn't even taking any damage? I won't die in the 5 seconds it takes for me to secure aggro on mobs, so I don't understand why healers just insist on casting Regen on me before I even pull anything, or Medica II before a boss. And so many healers (WHM in particular) don't understand how to manage their own aggro (Shroud is your friend, WHM)...the times I've seen over-eager healers get killed because they keep spamming unnecessary heals and HoTs is ridiculous.

If I'm healing with a tank that is chain pulling, and if they need a heal that badly, Swiftcast+Cure / Benefic or a quick Tetra or Essential Dignity. I don't trust DF tanks enough to take aggro back from me if I get hate from HoT ticks, and I'm not a huge fan of having my face punched in either.

For the poster that said something about casting right as mobs die, my personal rule of thumb is if my HoT won't tick for 75% duration or more before the last mob dies, I don't use them. If the tank needs healing that badly before the last mob dies, I just drop cleric and give them a basic Cure / Benefic.

I agree with you. I shouldn't have to hit the macro if the healer is aware, but it's there because so many aren't. We have people who don't AoE a pack of 12 mobs in expert roulettes, so my expectations are set at rock bottom and sometimes I still get disappointed. What can you do?

[SaitoHikari]

I just had a Dun Scaith where none of the tanks really wanted to MT.

Like I tanked the entire first boss as a Bard. Thank the lord the boss spends 75% of the time casting something because if he auto attacked me more often, the healers wouldn't be able to keep me up and I wouldn't have survived the fight (though I stupidly walked into a Void Death IV at the very end). The remaining fights usually started with all of the DPS playing aggro hot potato even with quelling strikes usage. Our DPS also ended up being really low as a result of all this, my party especially had to end up improvising using our LB to clear add phases at the queen since we had no melee in our party, and it was probably the only reason why we got past her.

Such a butt-clenching run. I'm not particularly annoyed though, the run did really test my skill as a Bard to the maximum, on both the DPS and support front.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Right?! XD I'd love to be able to self heal like a WAR on my DRK. <3

Berserk + Equilibrium is just... silly OP, xD. When the tank can heal up to like 20k...

I sure do!! My discord thingy is Hyomin Park #0055 <3
I'm like always online, be it discord or FFXIV, so I'm sure we will definitely bump into one another again!!

Yay! Added you. ^^

Doing Sohr Khai and Nidhogg with someone from my fc... first we had an healer with lv 58 gear (weapon!) and barely managed to beat the boss at the end, then we qued up for nidhogg... first run, we had him...



That this is even possible...

And this is where all content should have some sort of restriction. All the devs need to do is put "Level 60 Disciple of War/Magic gear required" and bam, problem solved.
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Now onto a fun little troll fail I forgot to post a couple weeks back. So! I queue into Dun Scaith with the raid already in progress and am immediately greeted with "welcome to our horrible trap." Apparently, Alliance C had a group of people purposely trolling the entire fight. They either flat out ignored mechanics or intentionally tried wiping everyone. Fun times! By some small miracle we got through Scathach after a single wipe. Unfortunately, troll alliance decided that was enough. Their tank insta-pulled and proceeded to type in chat how everyone was elitist, she's never done this before and etc. (My group said she's been going back and forth on whether she's "new"). Anywho, we predictably wipe a few times thanks to their antics.

Fed up, everyone else opts to give it one more go. Luckily, we had a Ninja in our group. So I tell the tank to keep Defiance on the whole fight and have the Ninja shadewalker him on cooldown. The troll Paladin couldn't take aggro, and believe me, she was trying. Meanwhile, the other healer and I heal spam healed our Warrior through everything as best we could and the other alliance sacrificed a good portion of players to mitigate the tank meteor trolly tank wouldn't stand in. Our Warrior Holmgang's Diabolos' first stack mechanic, I Swiftcast + Raise + Bene him following the next when and because troll tank kept killing herself, our Warrior got hate back easily. She makes one desperate attempt and provokes a cleave right into both me and the other healer... only for Dialobos to die seconds later.

WELL! There was trolling to be had in the chat after all that... except it was us laughing and mocking them for failing despite all the crap they pulled.

[HyoMinPark]

I agree with you. I shouldn't have to hit the macro if the healer is aware, but it's there because so many aren't. We have people who don't AoE a pack of 12 mobs in expert roulettes, so my expectations are set at rock bottom and sometimes I still get disappointed. What can you do?

Lol true that. My faith in DF is so low I'm not even surprised anymore.


Had a fun Keeper of the Lake earlier. Decided to actually run 50 roulette on my WAR. Interesting since I've only ever really done trials on it, but I was glad I managed to keep hate on everything. :3 Sorry to the monk if I was spinning the mobs too much. XD it wasn't intentional. Just so many AOEs. ;-;

[Mhaeric]

At some point you have to realize that doing something stupid and expecting someone to be smart enough to fix it is backwards. .. it's annoying, and healers shouldn't do it... end of story. If it happens sometimes sure it easily fixable but to insist that doing it is ok and to suggest it's on the tank to have awareness. .. if you are going to defend poor play by expecting the tank to be smart, why can't you expect the same of a healer. Don't do it... it's annoying.

Who said anything about defending poor healer behaviour? I was simply responding to the sentiment that there was nothing the tank could do about it if it happened, and then to the sentiment that it was too much to ask that a tank be aware of it if it did. It's not like its even hard to manage a pull when there's a regen tick on you if you're aware of it ahead of time. Annoying? Yes. But that's the extent of it. It takes one gcd to fix it. If a pull goes so wrong due to a pre-existing regen tick that serious issues occur then that's not the fault of the regen tick but bad tanking.

[Yasuhiro]

Queued up for A10S after watching many guides and reading some text ones feeling confident that I can accomplish it
I was main tanking but as soon as I pulled everything went south for me even after reading guides I was not prepared and I feel bad for wasting 7 other people's time so after the 2nd wipe I said Please excuse me, I'm sorry I wasted your time in my poor Japanese.

I should have just made a practice party to make sure I had all the mechanics down, probably over confidence from beating the training dummy boss in A9s...