Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[BigRed5392]

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gf posting

nope this happen the day I posted it, and what my bf said about me and what I have gone through when tanking is none if my business he is just trying to be a good bf, but i didn't want him/tell him to do it.

Sorry buy pre-pull regen shouldn't be shrugged off, it makes tanking harder then needed. I kicked them for the pulling though. Sorry for lack of time stamps but this went from the first boss room to right before demon wall. I don't have any latency issues as me and my b/f are hardwired to the modem and live in central USA.

Please learn what min-maxing is.. it is just maxing out your stats with BiS gear, having good timing of skills and using skills to help your party should be bare minimum of being a team player. (not counting healer dps as that is pure bonus i prefer my healers to heal)

Dungeons are where you learn to group up, so pointing out mistakes (nicely) is to help make runs smooth, enjoyably for all members, and people able to grow/learn. having the "solo" mindset is why a lot of "bad" players exist. Guides are good, not there a ton with conflicting advice and not everyone will "get it" from a guide a lone. (that and there a ton of guides it can be overwhelming)


Also as for my gear "out of date" is a bit off as I only recently hit 60 on dark and only just got the gear. I just got back to ff14 3 mnths ago and only been lvl 60 on this character a few weeks. Playing catch up.

Your attitude is pretty bad though, and wish you wouldn't assume the worst. Ask questions instead of being gun ho "attacking" someone for their experience (bad choice of words, but your post is rude).

Also I'm used to typing and tanking, I may typo my words, but i don't stop to type. I only say something if my group isn't worjking together, and doing this that make any one persons role harder then necessary. I don't kick people out unless they ignore me asking to not dp something that is making the run harder.

We should be promoting teamwork, not mindsets like yours.

[Adire]

First off, I must say that, given the reasoning and the screencap of the conversation, it was a smidge abusing of the kick. Yes, you asked nicely and they continued, but the actual offense was merely pre-regen. Regen, while annoying, isn't too detrimental on pulls. I, personally, would never kick any healer for using regen in this manner. This is probably why the replacement shrugged you off- I would too. I'd actually be a bit on edge if I was that healer. it really is a minor offense in the grandest of schemes.

I wouldn't call it a minor offense. Besides being incredibly annoying for the tank and possibly the DDs as well since it takes longer for the tank to get everything positioned when he/she has to run around collecting escaped mobs, it also forces the tank to take more damage from running back and offsets the regen healing.

Healers should really learn to stop doing it. If it takes a kick from a group to help them get over this bad habit, so be it.

[Bebekurenai]

I have to hit a macro to turn it off because im a ps4 player, which can slow a run down if i have to auto run just to turn a cast off.

Not to be harsh but imo, that was quiet the overreaction there. And telling that healer to stop trolling... I play on ps4 too and I have no issues clicking regen or anything else off. Simply click the touchpad on the right side twice. You can do that even while moving around. And really, is regen such a big deal for you? A tank should have no problem pulling while having regen on. Unless they are facepulling... o_O Then sorry, but that's not how it works...
Yes I agree, regen is not ideal prepull, but I've learned to adapt so it's not an issue. Maybe the healer saw that you got damaged a lot when pulling and decided to help out that way >_>

[Azper]

Yes I agree, regen is not ideal prepull, but I've learned to adapt so it's not an issue.

Why adapt to poor playstyles when people could just not do it in the first place, though? It just creates unnecessary work for others. I'm not saying it's the worst thing someone could do, but it's annoying and easily fixed by simply not doing it.

[Aosha]

I also started to notice, not everyone uses support skills anymore such as qualling strikes or other de-enmity/threat skills. Lost hate a few times in lvl 60 dungeons and expert because of not seeing these used. I use/spam my enmity abilities like unleash, and abysmal drain (with and with out dark arts) and still have issues.

I wish monk HAD an enmity reduction skill T_T

[bardaboo]

It was obvious trolling aka harassment aka different play style aka bootable. Please don't encourage annoying unskilled counter productive play by defending blatant stupidity.

[Fluffernuff]

It was obvious trolling aka harassment aka different play style aka bootable. Please don't encourage annoying unskilled counter productive play by defending blatant stupidity.

Can I use this as my defense when I don't get shadewalker the moment I demand it in my DF runs?

[Urthdigger]

Can I use this as my defense when I don't get shadewalker the moment I demand it in my DF runs?

I think there's a large difference between demanding that everyone be perfectly on point and never mess up a mechanic or part of their rotation while utilizing their support abilities to its utmost effectiveness... and making a simple request about what someone does before the mobs are even pulled.

[Fluffernuff]

I think there's a large difference between demanding that everyone be perfectly on point and never mess up a mechanic or part of their rotation while utilizing their support abilities to its utmost effectiveness... and making a simple request about what someone does before the mobs are even pulled.

Eh, I do actually agree with you. But that's the problem I have with "Don't encourage bad play". Especially in response to apathy. It's almost as if sucking it up and finding ways to deal with it is "just as bad" now.

I suppose I could have taken a more condemning stance, since I'm generally against causing havok in a group. I just also take issue with just dolling out kicks because you find something annoying.

I guess i glossed over the "pulling ahead" too much, but without timestamps, it's a little hard to gauge how much time was between the warning and the boot. If it was intentional, sure deserved.
If it was an airheaded/new healer that was tunnel-visioned from chat, though...

[bardaboo]

Eh, I do actually agree with you. But that's the problem I have with "Don't encourage bad play". Especially in response to apathy. It's almost as if sucking it up and finding ways to deal with it is "just as bad" now.

I suppose I could have taken a more condemning stance, since I'm generally against causing havok in a group. I just also take issue with just dolling out kicks because you find something annoying.

I guess i glossed over the "pulling ahead" too much, but without timestamps, it's a little hard to gauge how much time was between the warning and the boot. If it was intentional, sure deserved.
If it was an airheaded/new healer that was tunnel-visioned from chat, though...

Sucking it up and dealing with it is fine if you are ok with these players not learning. You put up with it and carry them they aren't going to change or improve. Someone wearing all wrong accessories and ignores you when you point it out? sure you could carry them or boot them so they learn.
There are a lot of bad players out there and it would be nice to have them listen to advice instead of have someone defend them in the dungeon because "we're not wiping"