Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Fluffernuff]

How hard is it to to look where the tank is attacking, really?

"How hard is it to throw an emnity combo on the second target you're engaged on, really?"

The problem was because of the nature of the situation, I couldn't tell based on HP bars what was getting "focused" until it was already on me. there were only 2-3 targets. You mean to tell me, as a DRG, i'm "supposed" to use Ring of Thorns or Doom Spike every time the tank engages more than 1 enemy before using my rotation? Just so I can see every emnity bar?
I'm not going to sit there watching animations or waiting on the tank to get 1 or 2 full emnity combos on every mob, either. They have tools for that, I don't. I don't get quelling. I get a single 3 minute cooldown.

I'm not going to say it was optimal what I did, but if I'm ripping hate after 1 rotation and it's because "i'm focusing the wrong mob", then... ok? I guess I'll demand my DPS to not touch anything until I get a full combo on every mob from now on when i tank? I need to keep a full mark order every pull?

All that said, is "focusing the wrong mob" out of 2 or 3 mobs in any way appropriate for harassment?

[Lunaxia]

Um, most tanks will hold hate on every mob regardless. It shouldn't matter which one gets attacked.

They were a level 60 DRG in the Vault with, according to them, a:

level 58 unsynced DRK in level 56/58 HQ whites

There are probably going to be enmity issues if the DPS knows what they're doing.

Don't encourage bad play.

"Don't encourage bad play, but run yourself ragged as a levelling tank so DPS can attack whatever the hell they want and make pulls last longer."

The irony.

Obviously tanks focus the mobs with kill priority in anticipation of DPS burning them down, we're talking about regular pulls.

[Awful]

Honestly, you just sound like another one of those snotty DPS who gloats about their numbers and then looks down on newer tanks when they - surprise, surprise - can't keep aggro because you keep going after different targets?

So you're giving the tank flak for them tanking a dungeon that literally pulls itself? No really it does the mobs engage you there's literally no need to pull lol all the tank had to do was use Unleash/DA+ Abyssal drain to keep threat while Scourging and cycling threat combos. Yeah it was a noobie tank but the tank got frustrated and didn't accept any criticism but no one gave any advice so there's nothing to work with there, most new tanks don't use their toolkits such as CDs or effectively how to use them.

As for saying someone's acting snobby how do you know? Were you there? None of us were we have just OP to go on saying they're a tank main could have at least responded the tank to say "okay well what can I do differently?" but they didn't and acted out on the DPS. Honestly if I pull threat in a dungeon my first impression is they're new or they don't tank much so I ask em, usually the response I get is "yeah I don't tank much and i'm kinda nervous" that's fine, then you get these tanks that just don't want any help.

Not defending or advocating anything just saying that's what I usually do with new tanks it never hurts to ask or give pointers but if they're unwilling to learn it's hard. I got booted from a party once because I dodged protect or the time I gave advice to the Smn for trying to bane Bio and just Miasma II while never having Garuda attack anything. It's the groups you run with and if you wanna help em it's on you and the group there's enough hand holding in this game as it is.

[Lunaxia]

idek what point is being made here

I was giving the DPS flak for deliberately making a new tank's life harder than it has to be and then being snotty about it.

Personally, I always focus on the tank's target when I DPS, unless there's an important mechanic/ kill priority to take into consideration. It just makes things easier, burns mobs down more quickly, and there's no risk of aggro issues. If you have your head firmly lodged up your ass because you have good DPS numbers and believe you should attack where you want and the tank just needs to deal, fine, do as you please - but if you're going to do that on a new tank who is clearly struggling and is much lower in ilevel/ level than you, and then look down on him for struggling to hold aggro, that's being inconsiderate and rude. I'm sure certain members of this forum will disagree, the special snowflakes that they are, but that's how it is, and how 90% of the parties I've been with play.

[Awful]

I was giving the DPS flak

For doing their job? The tank STOPPED and caused a WIPE did the DPS cause the wipe? No they didn't so what're you talking about? The vault pulls itself I literally just said that and the tank can't hold threat, guess whose fault it is? The tank, they were running around in circles doing nothing about the party not tanking they could have said something but instead the tank literally tried to keep the party hostage by pulling the boss to not get kicked. It is what it is I was just saying that I give tips but that tank was belligerent and didn't ask for help or said hey guys can you calm down for all we know he doesn't fully know how to tank.

Like I said there's only so much hand holding this game can do it's up to the player to learn and adapt by lvl 50 I'd hope that tanks can you know hold threat that's what they've been doing since lvl 15+ in dungeons, hell people even have tank issues where they're scared to tank. I don't think I'd want a tank in my dungeon that runs around in circles and causes us a pointless wipe but you do you.

[Lunaxia]

raeg.

That tank didn't cause the wipe. Nor did I say "the tank is completely innocent and it's all your fault", I just pointed out the hypocrisy in ragging on a new tank while making their life more difficult. I already said the tank reacted badly.

I disagree with placing all the blame on the tank - if you are new, undergeared, with capped players, trying to hold aggro on multiple targets and the level 60 melee DPS is going all out on a different target to the rest of you, you will lose enmity. No instance "tanks itself", and the Vault can be tricky for new players of any role. There's a big difference between "hand-holding" and "this player is new/ to the job so maybe I'll actually be considerate and attack their target."

[Awful]

I disagree with placing all the blame on the tank - if you are new, undergeared, with capped players, trying to hold aggro on multiple targets and the level 60 melee DPS is going all out on a different target to the rest of you, you will lose enmity.

I mean they're 58 I'd hope they'd at least know how to tank that was at lvl 15 or 30, they should be focused on new skills and how to use em while lvling as for having a lvl 60 DPS in your group shouldn't make a difference if they know how to use their abilities you can spam Abyssal Drain with no Darkside and have 100% threat :^). It's just the tank not being good and wiping the group they weren't courteous to the group and just yelled at the DPS while they wiped it so yeah they got a kick because of it I would have too, a reasonable person wouldn't allow or encourage bad play and keep them around but hey if you want to let entitled tanks refusing to tank and get into combat to not get kicked all the power to ya. Tis the season for special snow flakes right.

[Lunaxia]

etc.

If you're going to reply to me at least read my post (and the OP's) please.

[alimdia]

They were a level 60 DRG in the Vault with, according to them, a:

There are probably going to be enmity issues if the DPS knows what they're doing.

The Vault is a level 57 dungeon where level 58 HQ gear is more than appropriate, it doesn't matter that the DRG is synced from 60, DF will sync the stats as if it was level 58 HQ gear.

The whole "synced dps = aggro loss" is only a thing in the first 5 dungeons of ARR due to lack of tank stance, after that there's no excuse other than not knowing how to tank.

[The_Shang]

The Vault is a level 57 dungeon where level 58 HQ gear is more than appropriate, it doesn't matter that the DRG is synced from 60, DF will sync the stats as if it was level 58 HQ gear.

The whole "synced dps = aggro loss" is only a thing in the first 5 dungeons of ARR due to lack of tank stance, after that there's no excuse other than not knowing how to tank.

Paladins would like to have a word with you. Up to when you hit level 40 enmity is always gonna be an issue if you take your eyes off one mob for even a second. Flash-spamming does very little you know >_>