Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Atoli]

I've noticed a trend in this thread by some of the frequent posters to point blame at everyone except themselves. I think some of these people should really take a look at their own play before pointing the fingers at others.

I think we all have our mess-ups to some degree. But keep in mind that usually, people come here to either vent after a particulary horrible run they did their best to save and failed, or to share the happiness over something that went amazingly well. Both are usually not something that is focused on their own errors
And if a failed, enraging run actually IS (at least partially) the fault of the one who tells the tale, it does get pointed out by other posters too, so it's not like that just gets ignored ^^

That said, at least for myself I think I can say that I quickly realize when I am the problem and put an end to it before I waste people's time. Or just avoid situations that could lead to that altogether. And if for some reason they still end up happening, I explain, apologize and offer to withdraw instead of becoming defensive and angry.

Example: Wanted to join A9S clear, entered A10S instead (because 'breath' is more external than 'eyes', isn't it? ;-; ). Hadn't even watched a guide for that one, 100% no idea what was going on. So I apologized to the group, explained why I mixed them up and left before people could waste precious buff food.

Or lately, I was in a Thordan EX bird farm party and we all messed up really badly on the positioning during the last 10% during one run and all got ourselves killed, except for a single healer who, with sprinting, evading and DoTs somehow survived long enough to fill up the LB3 by himself and use it to miraculously save the run. When the bird dropped, I proposed we all pass on it so the healer gets it (and everyone actually did, which was great! ).
No one is above failing, what matters is how people act when they do fail, at least in my opinion :x

[PharisHanasaki]

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I've been there, and all I can say it's keep learning and keep trying. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I am a healer main since I began playing, and I failed many, many times once I got out of ARR and into HW. I went straight from 1 to 60, so I'm aware I didn't get a good chance to learn my role well. And despite me stating I was new, some tanks just didn't care and did their thing and made us wipe, then placed the blame on me. I was once left to die as my tank 'taught' me how I should 'Not cast shit during pulls'. On my first run of The Vault, my tank was so nice that she pulled entire rooms while I could barely keep up with Cure II, and obviously ran oom. When I asked her to pull less adds as I was still learning, she told me that I should learn to spam Holy, and how I was a terrible healer because I didn't DPS while her HP was dropping significantly fast. Of course there were some nice people who were patient, and even shared some tips. But there were times where I was too ashamed to even keep trying. I even switched from WHM to AST after that run of the Vault to 're-learn' my role, and I can say it did pay off.

So yeah, for that last fight of the Aery, you shouldn't really need to heal Estinien until Nidhogg flies away and the adds appear. And after Estinien pops the shield, you just basically ignore him for the rest of the fight. Unless you had really bad DPS and/or a squishy/bad tank.

[Deathgiver]

It's a venting thread. I think what you are looking for may be in one of the confessions threads. Did you come to point fingers or did you have something to contribute?

I didn't point the finger at anybody. I do occasionally post stories in here, so yes I contribute to the thread. I'm just pointing out that a lot of the posts are pure vitriol, and maybe, just maybe, some of the posters would benefit more from self improvement instead of complaining about other's faults.
edit: Case in point, I've seen complaints about "40 minute ex roulette" in here on more than 1 occasion. Considering the dps requirements for most of the ex roulettes, a single decent dps does enough damage to kill everything in the whole dungeon with single target attacks in around half an hour of active time. Add in walking between pulls and you're still under 40 minutes. That's assuming the other dps is afk, the tank is only flashing and the healer is only healing. If you're running 40 + minutes, you're part of the problem.

[Imragarn]

The Vault. Ok i do it like ten time, should be a nice and fast run.

First pack... Wait why i lost 70% of my life ? Let me check. The Tank wear minimum stuff. Ok, my bad, next pack i won't DPS like a monkey 1 sec after he pull.

Second Pack... Again ? What the ... oh, no shield oath ! guess he forgot to turn it ON. I tell him. "I'm not using this, i want to DPS as fast as possible. I don't want to waste time on low level dungeon"

OK... Well, i guess he will turn it ON for Boss, the WHM wear very good stuff, he can heal me and the tank on trash mob.

First boss, still no shield oath... If a DPS "full power mode" the boss focus me in 10 sec... So i DPS 3 sec, wait 5 sec, DPS 3 sec... GG, we lost 70% damage on a DPS for 15% on a tank ! So good !

And after the second boss he just say " Learn how to DPS, you are the only one taking mob focus..." Of course ! Other DPS wear paper stuff and have half my DPS !

Was really an horrible run for me !

(sorry for my english BTW)

[Atoli]

oh, no shield oath ! guess he forgot to turn it ON. I tell him. "I'm not using this, i want to DPS as fast as possible. I don't want to waste time on low level dungeon"

...did he at least use Sword Oath or just no stance at all?xD

[Frowny]

To be honest, that's a pretty weak excuse. If nobody's doing the dragonkillers, *someone* should man up and do it. The adds are irrelevant in the grand scheme of the fight after all. Sitting there pew pewing is daft if you understand what isn't (but should) be happening, if it's in your power to fix that.

A Tank/Healer should be doing those so DPS, ESPECIALLY a BLM, doesn't have to worry about it. BLM has to be rooted, so they're stuck for a bit. There's not a whole lot for healers to do anyway...

[Fluffernuff]

I've noticed a trend in this thread by some of the frequent posters to point blame at everyone except themselves. I think some of these people should really take a look at their own play before pointing the fingers at others.

Well there was that one time where i "dodged" On Low too quickly on the fan boss in Xeph and got the BLM cleaved into oblivion.

First time I've ever cleaved someone. It was amazing. No wonder tanks do it!

[Pells]

Yeah, same, I even went The Mystical Sprinting Dragoon because pulling it until at least half a year after HW release on Trial Roul on Chaos datacentre was basically a death spell even with people who had already cleared it, and I, a measly melee dps, did the dragonkillers. Both of them. My poor, innocent TP.

I dunno. I've always found a nice jog rather invigorating.

[Atoli]

A Tank/Healer should be doing those so DPS, ESPECIALLY a BLM, doesn't have to worry about it. BLM has to be rooted, so they're stuck for a bit. There's not a whole lot for healers to do anyway...

As a BLM main who considers unnecessary movement the bane of her existence, even I know that the only thing worse than lowering my dps output is dying. A neverending fight because you never can reel Bismarck in is the same as a very slow death, so rather than staying locked to my Leylines, I move *shudder* and do mechanics if others can't be ars*d to do them.
Same with A5, for example. Off-Healer is supposed to go Gorilla, at worst a BRD or DRG who can attack while running/use jumps. But if no one ever does the bombs, I don't say "my dps loss as a caster when I move is unacceptable so I'll stay here, no matter if it kills us or not"; I go ape and do those stupid bombs because surprisingly, dying means zero dps from everyone

That said, the initial problem onviously lies with the one who is assigned to it not doing it. It's just a matter of how adaptable you are if that happens

[hydralus]

Case in point, I've seen complaints about "40 minute ex roulette" in here on more than 1 occasion. Considering the dps requirements for most of the ex roulettes, a single decent dps does enough damage to kill everything in the whole dungeon with single target attacks in around half an hour of active time. Add in walking between pulls and you're still under 40 minutes. That's assuming the other dps is afk, the tank is only flashing and the healer is only healing. If you're running 40 + minutes, you're part of the problem.

That's a fair point to make, considering I've just dicked around with friends of mine, doing nothing but auto-attacking our way through an 'expert dungeon' where we still cleared in 32 minutes.

But there may be other factors that add up, like several wipes or waiting for ranks to refill or even explaining mechanics. If it's just 'healer didn't dps' and it supposedly took 40 minutes then yeah, that's very strange.