Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

I just don't agree with the logic,

Tank priority is hold top enmity, mitigate damage, Optional to optimize DPS. Checking party resources is a courtesy.

Healer priority is heal when needed (means looking at HP resource), mitigate damage or spike heal, optional to optimize DPS. Notifying party that resources are low is a courtesy.

I am having a hard time seeing the logic.

I would think it's common sense to look at your healer's MP and refrain from pulling a boss or packs if they're low on MP, but apparently common sense is not that common at all. I had a tank pull Ser Adelphel in Vault once, when the WHM was at around 4.4k MP, then bitched about the WHM running low during the fight.

Also, you're in a friggin' party. You're not playing solo, you're working with others to accomplish a common goal. You're supposed to pay attention to them. That's kind of the definition of teamwork. If you don't like that fact, there are tons of single-player games out there, and you shouldn't be playing an MMO.

[WeekendSoja]

I would think it's common sense to look at your healer's MP and refrain from pulling a boss or packs if they're low on MP, but apparently common sense is not that common at all. I had a tank pull Ser Adelphel in Vault once, when the WHM was at around 4.4k MP, then bitched about the WHM running low during the fight.

Than the WHM failed at teamwork, cause putiting voice to your concern is also part of common sense...unless things have changed and people tend to stay distubingly quiet when it directly affects their own well-being. Teamwork is a two way street, checking resources are a courtesy for a tank because you can be at 4.4k MP than be capped in all of 20 seconds, but if you don't communicate that that is not possible, how will the team know?

[Jatoi]

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The thing is, you need awareness of not just the mobs but also the party in the first place. Healers shouldn't DPS or overheal to the extent that their MP suffers and causing people to pause before every single pull. If they aren't DPSing much, if at all- and are being run ragged then something is going horribly wrong elsewhere.

MP and TP is finite, even if they can be regenerated those capabilities are limited. I'd wait for a tank that was running low on their juice for sure and it's pretty easy to notice. I keep them alive and in return they make sure nothing comes after me. That's... pretty important.

Another issue is how people are reticent to say something because a lot of folk who play have delicate sensibilities. Either risk getting into a fight, kicked or if the person is actually not so soft... may actually take your word for it. It's a gamble. I risk it by voicing my concerns in the first place albeit it doesn't always end well.

[MAGA]

So this just happened in a Bryflox normal run.



The healer left instead of enlightening us on how turning sword oath off helps. got a FC member to join inprogress and cleared it nice and smoothly.

[Genaxx]

So this just happened in a Bryflox normal run.



The healer left instead of enlightening us on how turning sword oath off helps. got a FC member to join inprogress and cleared it nice and smoothly.

I think he got shield and sword mixed up.

I had a tank do something simular the other day and was like wtf...

Tank pulls with shield oath
mob gets to about 50%
Tank removed shield oath
Continues to kill mob then puts it back on for next pull.

Me: Are you removing shield oath to increase your dps?
Tank: Yeah
Me: Why aren't you using Sword Oath then?
Tank: Because its a dps loss.

I think its due to it using the GCD so you essentially miss a action. Sword Oath for me adds about 300 damage each auto attack, so if your still able to do about 3-4 auto attacks before it dies then you may as well Sword Oath.

[WeekendSoja]

Agreed

I actually appreciate this post. Thank you for putting together such a well-worded reply.

I do agree with raid awareness but it also lands on expectations. If I am on warrior and I notice I have 200 TP at the end of a trash group...multiple instances where others can't see are being investigated, namely equilibrium. If I have to stop due to the variables not adding up, I will let people know. I also do the same when playing healer, if I can't use my MP regen abilities things will have to be done behind the scenes to continue the pace that others can't see and need to be voiced.

If things are assumed like "oh the healer has 2k mp I better stop" and you don't say, "you good on Mp?" Than the healer may take offense to the pause of combat flow associating the stop to his MP management and raise an arguement, and that's a whole other can of worms.

[Fluestergras]

So, we had this dragoon in Novice Network who asked a healer to join Aurum Vale in progress - but before a mentor could join, they got a random healer as replacement.
A while later, the same dragoon told us their tank bailed, and thus asked for a new one. I had nothing to do at this moment, so I switched to dark knight and entered Aurum Vale in progress. Wait, did I just agree on tanking Aurum Vale? This dungeon I always fail at pulling one group at a time and dodging Bad Breaths in? RIP me.

DF said "43 minutes passed" about the run I was about to join, and as the dragoon didn't say anything about their progress, I expected the party to stand in front of the final boss.
They stood in front of the second one. So I expected the worst.
Party were said synced dragoon, and unsynced white mage and an unsynced summoner who wore the job gear you gain during the lv45 job quest, but had Emerald Carbuncle out rather than Garuda Egi. Both dragoon and summoner were firsttimers.
Coincounter took very long due to the DPS being abysmal, but we made it without any greater problems. I even managed to do controlled pulls throughout the entire rest of the dungeon... well, except the part with the two morbols and the seedlings. While I pulled back a pack of mini morbols, someone accidentally pulled the first big morbol, I took it and meanwhile a lot of seedlings hatched. Chaos occured and we wiped. Second try in this room was way easier as all the seedlings already hatched, so I could pull single packs of mini morbols rather than having them eat everyone but myself.
When we reached the final boss, we had less than 30 minutes left. I explained everything and pulled... and ate every single Bad Breath ._. But that's not what wiped us, it was the DPS not killing the adds. I pulled again, this time I managed to dodge some Bad Breaths while the DPS managed to kill most of the adds before they hatched. Unfortunately the healer ignored their five stacks and eventually got killed, and as the summoner didn't raise them, we wiped again.
For the third time, I finally dodged every Bad Breath, the DPS killed every add, and although the healer ran out of MP when the boss was at 50%, we finally cleared with 7 minutes left.

Well... it was the most awful run of Aurum Vale I've ever had, even although I joined in progress rather than running from the start, but I guess I improved my tanking skills for this particular dungeon a lot. So... progress!

[bounddreamer]

Got Stone Vigil (again, groan, fourth day in a row) for leveling or mentor roulette and had a healer who said "I'm a lazy healer so I hope we'll all be okay! " went O_o and took the first couple pulls small. True to his word the only thing he did was heal. Healer tells me "it's okay to pull bigger!"

I know Stone Vigil very well so from that point I did the big pulls, getting two groups together. All he did was heal, but he kept me alive comfortably through those pulls and with our aoe damage, BLM, SMN, we sailed through.

[Vidu]

I'm a very lucky FemRoe today... I got Mhach for my mentor roulette - run in progress, allianca is at Forgall, we're still missing a few Dps. My group gets the last spot filled with a BLM - another mentor, wearing their cute little crown and instantly deciding that this isnt worth it. We wipe, because someone pulled while we were still waiting and not ready and so on, nice little drama.
Everyone returns, we've even got a full alliance now!, just the blm-mentor keeps tanking the ground... not returning, not taking my raise, waiting to get kicked because its useless and a waste of time to him - and instead of eating the penalty, they wait. My party decideds to kick them *grumble* and I spend the boss fight filling out a report...

(granted, I wasnt much help anymore and people were constantly trying to raise me, making me scream at my screen to freaking stop annoying me but this attitude made me really, really mad - if you dont wanna do content, sure, here is the door - leave by yourself!)
We managed btw. Not even one more wipe during the rest of the raid.

[AnaviAnael]

So this just happened in a Bryflox normal run.



The healer left instead of enlightening us on how turning sword oath off helps. got a FC member to join inprogress and cleared it nice and smoothly.

My IQ just dropped. Thanks MAGA.