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  1. #4821
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    bounddreamer's Avatar
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Reila_Circus View Post
    I never got that with other tanks in those early raids always voking the boss. It seriously is one of the most annoying things to deal with in those 24 man raids, and it's usually a PLD too. I don't know why it's always a PLD, but thats how it is.
    Ugh, same. I went into WoD after an hour and a half wait on Sunday, queued as DRK. I got in and looked at the two other tanks, both PLD with 120 swords/gear. I'm 235 with the Padjali greatsword. But I'm perfectly happy to OT, as WoD does have plenty of OT mechanics.

    At the first boss, one of the PLDs runs forward, facepulls the boss, and keeps it facing the raid. First cleave blasts the whole unprepared raid. So I turned on grit, picked it up, pulled it center and turned it away from the raid.

    The PLD proceeds to provoke every single time it's off cool down, standing right next to me and spamming RoH in shield oath the whole time. My static/FC co-tank was in there on DPS and said the adds didn't get picked up.

    So I let them have the next trash pull but my co-tank tells me at the next boss, "just pull," which I do. During my pull the PLD tries to pull. At this point I'm like, no. And there's no way the other tanks can pull him off me unless I let them. During that boss the PLD stands next to me spamming RoH again in Shield Oath.

    One of the other alliance tanks and a dps ends on on the platform with us during the Atomos trash pull, so that alliance was tank less. At Cerberus I tell the other tank to go for it, certain they won't pick up the Wolfsbanes. (I was right; was the only one tanking Wolfsbanes.)

    At the final boss I decided to let them go ahead and pull the Cloud of Darkness, pretty sure at that point their healers would let them die so I'd be ready to pick up the boss. And I was right; however, my rando healers weren't any better and I died shortly thereafter. GG.
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    Last edited by bounddreamer; 08-19-2016 at 12:57 AM.

  2. #4822
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    Mwynn's Avatar
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    Dio'orsa Pulse
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluestergras View Post
    Blubb
    It quite surprised me, I'm leveling Machinist right up now and have done a few Vault Runs... and I always thought BRD / MCH would naturally suck in outputting Damage....
    I'm not the best in in the Opener Rotation, I also do the thing you mentioned above, using Reload and using Hot Shot and Lead Shot... and everytime I think, Why am I doing this? Those are 2 wasted Procc Chances...

    Warrior | Scholar | Monk | Machinist was the Setup for one of the Vault Runs.

    I told the Group I really need to back out for 1-2 Minutes after the first Boss, nevermind that, they went ahead and pulled stuff.

    Basically the other DPS brought a Mobs HP down to 75% when I came back, not using AoE, using only the first Ability from the entire Combo Sets.. the Healer already struggling to maintain MP (BLM Priest with four other Guys pulled, right before the Room with those Giants)

    I can understand if someone is struggling while leveling up a Job, not performing 100%, like 50-75%, yet... spamming a single Ability, not using anything besides that and not getting Greased Lightning Stacks, is beyond my Knowledge...

    The Scholar got upset by it and I told him it's fine, we just had done 2/3 of the Run already at that Point and the next 15 Minutes won't be that long anymore. Bite your Teeth together and go through it.

    We managed to bring Charibert down, thanks to the SCH Stance Dancing and knowing the entire Fight. Afterwards the thing that topped it... the Unicorn dropped and the Monk has gotten it, which left even the Tank jaw dropping..
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    Last edited by Mwynn; 08-19-2016 at 01:05 AM.
    #GetSelliBack2016

  3. #4823
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    Acantha's Avatar
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    Acantha Ibara
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Cojika View Post
    Auto attacking people, people doing 1,2,3 combo and nothing else, melee not doing positionals, people that just hit random buttons and have no clue how to play this game, people doing to obvious stuff, or a combination of some or all of everything mentioned.
    I did some auto attacking the other day... as a WHM... :P
    but before you all judge me, I was silenced in PotD low levels, we still killed things in single digit hits
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  4. #4824
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    Wiping Shitty, related to scholars
    To be fair, the uses for deploying Eye for an Eye are rather limited, and WC doesn't really have any of those. Similarly, there are times when it's better to forego Sacred Soil in favor of using the stack for Indomitability, as you will end up topping the party up with the Indom, SS or not. In WC, that's quite a few of the situations, or using SS just is not really feasible (such as people spreading around).
    Although based on your explanation, it was probably not them playing smart. Sounds like they wouldn't have used those abilities even if there was a proper time for them. No real reason to forego Sacred Soil for meteors and the gather together mechanic of Ozma, especially if the placements are bad. Or for Calo's haircarousel move.
    Glad you got your piece in the end!
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  5. #4825
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    Mysterysword's Avatar
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    Siesta Fiesta
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aosha View Post
    stuff
    The only time I ever struggle with maintaining stacks is when I have to spam Energy Drain, hoping to get enough MP back. Usually just after I've been raised in the middle of a fight.

    But yeah, these SCHs never once used Sacred Soil or Deployment Tactics, especially not at Ozma. All I remember is lots of Adlo, Succor, and maybe Physick.

    I remember at Forgall, at one point one of the DRGs and the other SCH had Doom. I was busy healing the tank on one side of the room, too far away from the DRG to clean it off them, and I thought the other SCH would do it too. Nope. Ozma's bleed? Forget it.

    Funny part about Calo's Dancing Mad: I threw up Sacred Soil for it, and pretty much half my party just runs out of it. -_-

    Probably the most frustrating sign of a bad SCH, which I see everywhere, is fairy misuse. I use Eos throughout Wiping Shitty, except for Ozma, where I use Selene for AoE cleanse, and even then I'm seriously considering just switching to Eos. Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering Dawn is just massive free healing for everyone, and Fey Wind - which most of the time is the only reason ever to use Selene - just doesn't outweigh it for me. All the time, though, I see other SCHs just keeping fairies on Obey and only occasionally clicking Whispering Dawn, or keeping them on Sic and having them waste all their skills at the wrong time.
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    Last edited by Mysterysword; 08-19-2016 at 07:16 AM.

  6. #4826
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    Ametrine's Avatar
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    Probably the most frustrating sign of a bad SCH, which I see everywhere, is fairy misuse. I use Eos throughout Wiping Shitty, except for Ozma, where I use Selene for AoE cleanse, and even then I\\'m seriously considering just switching to Eos. Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering Dawn is just massive free healing for everyone, and Fey Wind - which most of the time is the only reason ever to use Selene - just doesn\\'t outweigh it for me. All the time, though, I see other SCHs just keeping fairies on Obey and only occasionally clicking Whispering Dawn, or keeping them on Sic and having them waste all their skills at the wrong time.
    The fact I had such a hard time with this is more or less why I abandoned the job for AST. Keeping the fairy\\'s skills and movement commands reachable on top of all of my own heals turned into a finger tangling mess. It doesn\\'t help that I never had to micro my fairy ever until 60 content.
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  7. #4827
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    FunkYeahDragons's Avatar
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    Cafe Miel
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    I tried to Provoke a Fleshy Pod in Totorak. It's too hot.
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  8. #4828
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    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    At Ozma, where I'm eating the orbs, the alliance on our right sends us their orbs with a side of death-love, while the alliance on our left drops one of their meteors right next to ours. Half of my alliance gets wiped out, me included. Thanks a ton.
    I laughed so hard at this! This made me remember one of my WC runs where my co-healer left the alliance A position (our position) and went to Alliance B to raise their healers. The poor guy never came back from the journey and I had to put all the HoTs I could spare on the party, sprint and quickly swiftcast Raise him before coming back. Since I raised him mid platform and meteor mechanics were next, he died again to meteor.
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  9. #4829
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    Estinien Wyrmblood
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    Tonberry
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    Sage Lv 90
    Tank in Aery would keep moving mobs out of summoner's and my Shadow Flare. Turns out he thought he was taking damage from it too.
    We had to reassure him that friendly fire isn't a thing in this game.... :X
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  10. #4830
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    Acantha Ibara
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Posted in the gif thread but applies here too, MRW the other night i'm playing DRK and have a WHM (my 2nd job @ 60) cure me EVERY 5 SECONDS. And no esuna. No DPS at all... I mean the no DPS I could deal with, I was in Hakkuke & when I first healed that I did very minimal DPS but seriously... they only cast 2 spells the whole run, protect at the start and cure all the way through... maybe one medica on the last boss...

    I'm not mad, i'm just really disappointed :P
    Also - the SMN dps who I thought was going to be ok after they loaded in with Titan out, realised and changed to Ifrit. But no. At the last boss, since they and the healer are both sprouts and have been a bit iffy all run, I asked "Do you guys know what to do on this one?" waited... waited... SMN "y". D: "just checking you knew to turn off the lamps. i'll take that as a no" & pulled... just cherry on the top of a frustrating run.
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    Last edited by Acantha; 08-19-2016 at 08:41 PM.

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