Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Alestorm]

Ran my daily as a black mage got Copperbell (not surprised anymore) and out tank is a Lala dark knight who greets herself as our "most loyal and amazing potato tank". This led the entire run of myself, heals and tank all making food jokes and most likely confusing the newbie rouge.

Was a really fun dungeon crawl.... shame it ended so fast.

[Fluestergras]

A5. I rolled 80+ on everything. And I lost everything ;_;

[Ninster]

I seriously need to get this off my chest even though it happened a few days ago. I was tempted to make a new thread but I hope it's seen here. I took up a Mentor title not only because I play everything, but because I like helping people that need it or want it. And in a sense, I try my best to consider Mentor Roulette as my "on duty" time: that is to say I make sure to explain everything as needed instead of sitting back and being complacent like I'm prone to doing.

However, I landed in Void Ark a few days ago. I knew this was a possibility, but I still found it amusing that my Mentor Roulette placed me there. I kind of figured that unless things were going off I wouldn't have to do much, just run it and cross my fingers for the minion. Then towards the end of the Cetus battle, I noticed one of the dps asking about a healer's gear set. The healer suspiciously kept denying it, but they had on, minus one ilvl 220 hat, a gatherer's outfit. Not glamoured, but the actual gear. As in, this healer was sitting at about 5k HP. Accessories-wise, a mix of casting and healing pieces. I wanted to chime in and suggest maybe throwing on something else or running this at another time, but the dps was actually kind of insistent with asking the healer to change gear "before you get kicked". I wouldn't really have uttered those last words, but still, it's pretty problematic when your healer can get almost one-shot by room-wide attacks. Occasionally I'd see their HP jump and check: the suggestion was being noted, but apparently the healer didn't acquire much in the way of better gear: mostly 2.x lvl 50 gear. After another plea from the dps, a vote kick was initiated on him for harrassment. I voted no, but the kick went through. The rest of the run I felt like a failure as a mentor. I said literally nothing the whole run. I just watched in shock as this whole debacle played out.

So... bottom line, what would you do? This healer was making honest attempts to do his job at healer, resurrecting players as needed, but severely undergeared. IMO it's not hard to just get the gear you need before queuing for an instance, but I'm not sure what makes people try to cheese the item level restrictions like this. I guess in hindsight I could see the call for harrassment considering how insistent this player was, but it's not like he was being mean or threatening about it.

[Malicewolf]

VA is ilvl 175 xD

Can you even get that high with just gathering gear?! Even with a few other pieces mixed in that's kind of impressive they got into the raid in the first place. Anywho, don't feel bad. You did nothing wrong mate. I'm pretty sure what you saw was someone trying to take advantage of the fact that in raids, it's hard to pay attention to everyone. He was trying to cheese through the raid. Either he was hoping to collect the gear in it because he didn't properly prepare before or he was trying to spiritbond with his gatherers gear so he could convert it for materia.

Either one is no excuse that justifies an entire raid to carry them through VA.

[Mysterysword]

So... bottom line, what would you do?

I would have gladly voted for kicking them and never looked back. But then again, I'm one of those horrible people who cannot abide freeloaders, and who refuses to carry someone. I will gladly overlook a lack of gear on someone who knows their job and makes a genuine effort, but I have my limits, and gathering gear in an ilvl 175 raid is way beyond those limits. It's most likely that that healer did have a proper healing set, which they equipped to queue for VA in the first place, then switched to the trash you saw, and I'd agree that it sounds like a spiritbonding attempt... a very stupid attempt. Either way, they were clearly taking advantage of everyone else, and being carried.

In other news, Hullbreaker Isle HM as BLM for Expert Roulette today. Tank is a PLD... with 15k-odd HP. Which is less than the WHM's 16k+. I wasn't even sure how that was possible, but on the very first pull with the raptors, PLD's HP was falling to ~5k, yet I saw no cooldowns being popped. It wasn't until after the first boss that I remembered, and decided to check PLD's gear.

Yup. Slaying accessories. In 3.3. Because Fending accessories are too expensive, I suppose.

[Malicewolf]

You also made assumptions about me right in your posts. I did not assume what a mentor is. I know what a mentor is which is why I tried many times to get the tank to stop and to listen to what I was saying. I feel bad that the other DPS had to wait for a new healer but in my eyes this was the tank's fault for completely ignoring their healer who was struggling because they wouldn't stop or listen. Completely ignored me the whole time I was there.

You assume I am not patient. I have mentored players through EX primals which is a lot more difficult than a level 44 dungeon. You wanna know why I was successful? They gave me time to type out and explain mechanics and tried their best to listen.

Only just seeing this now ^^;
Yes, I made some assumptions, I apologize for making the worst assumptions, but I'm curious as to why you choose to leave the instance instead of just kicking the problem (the tank). I'm pretty sure no matter what, those DPS will have to suffer with that tank if they stayed. You may have wanted to avoid the long queue for a new tank, but if what you said about that tank was true, he's simply not going to get through no matter what without an entire team carrying him. So if the DPS were new, they would have to wait for a long queue regardless. If they weren't, well then, I'm pretty sure they definitely would of agreed to kick the tank... But either way, I don't blame you for wanting to leave. Bad tanks are nightmares, I know as a tank myself, healer and DPS.

Now, I did say, "seems like you didn't really give the necessary info to the party as well. Maybe you did and just didn't mention it", which is the case. I've run into "mentors" who leave immediately upon entering a dungeon because "they don't want to do it". I've run into "mentors" who get hit by every single AoE mechanic in a trial. I'm not saying all are bad, but some definitely are. We have impatient mentor's who yell at newbies the first time their in the trial/dungeon for failing mechanics... I can't tell you how many "mentors" I saw yelling at people the 1st day the new patch came out on final steps. I've also run into some very good mentors as well as I go through dungeons. So I am sorry for making assumptions, but I have seen 70% bad mentor behavior and about 30% good whenever I'm with them. At least while in dungeons/trials. I know you can give advice through the novice network as well, but that's not something the rest of the public can see/view.

I'm not saying you are a bad or good mentor. My original post was pointing at the fact that in a mentor roulette, I would immediately state some things. I am not a mentor however, so I'm not going to say "I would of done it better". I'm sure the end result would of been the same based on the info you provided in your last post. I simply didn't know prior though and without that info, I'm not going to automatically assume you (as the experienced player) are automatically in the right. I mean heck, just reading half of the posts here in this topic you see some people who think that a DPS not maximizing their rotation are the spawn of satan.
I apologize for making an assumption and after your last post, I think you were more than justified to leave. Also the "thicker skin" part was not at all pointed towards you specifically. I meant that as a general statement about mentors.

[MeiUshu]

@Ninster

It surprises me what said. VA has minimum requirement to enter

You sure the healer didnt have broken gears as opposed to low geared?even with min. Requirement you would above that 5k hp. It surprises me... just wondering is all

[bounddreamer]

Yesterday I queued for mentor roulette and got Hullbreaker HM. Nobody was new. Few problems but the DRK was weirdly squishy, he'd be okay then his health would drop by half. On one of those occasions I was in cleric stance dpsing, and didn't switch out in time. He died and while I raised him, another dps died. Managed to save the other dps with lustrates, got the tank up and healed, and the other dps returned. It was weird, I'd just roused my fairy...I don't know if he was standing in stuff or what. I've healed that dungeon just fine with a DRK before and it was a super fast, clean run. Also, the DRK never turned on darkside for the whole run.

For my expert roulette I tanked it and got a scholar who didn't put out a single DOT for the entire run. At least the dps were great, and I figured since the SCH was going to go healbot, I'd run Deliverance as much as possible. Worked out pretty well.

[Cnidarian]

@Ninster

It surprises me what said. VA has minimum requirement to enter

You sure the healer didnt have broken gears as opposed to low geared?even with min. Requirement you would above that 5k hp. It surprises me... just wondering is all

Once inside a instance, you can change your gear to anything your current job can equip. Ninster mentioned that the dps calling said healer out noticed they were in gathering gear which as others have pointed out, chances are they had a proper set equipped to enter the raid and then swapped to a gathering set once inside.

[AnaviAnael]

I would have gladly voted for kicking them and never looked back. But then again, I'm one of those horrible people who cannot abide freeloaders, and who refuses to carry someone. I will gladly overlook a lack of gear on someone who knows their job and makes a genuine effort, but I have my limits, and gathering gear in an ilvl 175 raid is way beyond those limits. It's most likely that that healer did have a proper healing set, which they equipped to queue for VA in the first place, then switched to the trash you saw. Either way, they were clearly taking advantage of everyone else, and being carried.

I agree with everything said here. When you enter a dungeon, expect to perform your role and not be carried. Repair your gear, participate in battle, or expect consequences. Gathering gear gives you no VIT, no main stat, nothing.This healer's magic potency would have been massively reduced, putting more strain on the other healer. Granted, it's void ark, but it's still not fair for one person to be doing all the work so the other doesn't have to.