Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Decided to torture myself by doing Mentor Roulette last night while bustin out the job roulette wheel, ended up in Tsuku Ex on bard with 30ish mins in progress.

Thankfully I remembered the fight due to a friend dragging me into a mount farm just a week or so ago. I asked the party what they were struggling with and, unsurprisingly, it was meteors. Told them how to do it (tank north, healer e/w, dps south with t/dps being on the smaller color so we get the safe spot) and nearly 30 mins later with a fair amount of improvement... we had to vote abandon because we ran out of time, but not before someone suggesting reforming in PF. I figured I might as well join them since I actually kinda like Tsuku Ex.

Not everyone rejoined the PF but at least half of us were there so we went back in synced, but this time I went in on RDM to provide more resses. First pull we wipe to some badly placed meteors but second pull we got it down, made it past meteors and actually killed Tsuku! I had myself marked during those two pulls so they were able to follow me for moon+blades. I congratulated them on their clear and got thanked, told them if they ever needed help with other extremes they could hit me up as long as I was online and left.

All in all, it was a really good use of my time even though I didn't get any mount progress for it, but helping those nice lads out was a good enough reward in itself.

[Jettinson]

I... think I led half or more of the alliance raid to death during Engel fight in Copied Factory. I am not a mentor or anything but apparently many people followed me to where to go and since most of the fights have been clean on dodging aoe/mechanic they may have thought they would be safe with me lol
Well that one time my brain fried on recognising Engel's long wind up attacks. The first 4 are easy since after doing its left and right and the other 2 follow the same pattern on bottom-front.
Now after the adds phase done though... for some reason I did not properly looked at the boss's animation and pretty much got hit twice by that, no biggie I am a tank and this raid i could collect 8 vuln stack and still live but I saw so many dead people including my own party.
So don't sleep on Engeal, the raid itself is so easy with the scaling but my god if you are not a tank you die so easy there lol

[Packetdancer]

They can go to YouTube and watch a video guide.

Moreover, in order to unlock Mentor Roulette in the first place, a mentor must have cleared every single piece of non-savage, non-ultimate (and non-Coils) Duty Finder content in the entire game. That doesn't mean you necessarily know every fight by heart, of course; I know many because I am masochistic enough to enjoy helping folks through content for their first time, but I got thrown into Urth's Fount months ago and found myself being the living embodiment of the Gandalf "...I have no memory of this place." meme at first.

But it does mean you should have at least some very general understanding of most fights in the game, even if it's not necessarily a fresh memory. Having, y'know, cleared all those fights in order to have access to Mentor Roulette in the first place.

When I got hurled into Urth's Fount those months back, you better believe I Googled that fight super quickly and skimmed the page while first-timers were watching the cutscene, and that skim was enough to remind me that, oh, yeah, that's how this fight works. So when we (predictably) wiped on the first pull and folks went "okay wtf are we doing wrong?" I was able to give a solid explanation.

[Frizze]

When someone asks for mechanics or hints it, I expect them to help.

I noticed no one actually answered with the mechanics for these fights. I preface this by saying i am not a mentor, because i do not want to be one. I might also be short on comms(dont honestly remember the last time i looked), but this doesnt matter because as i said i do not want to be a mentor.

O6n(Sigma 2) - Dont worry about it, just pull. The fight is easy enough that you should figure it out* along the way.
O7n(Sigma 3) - All** of the mechs/aoe patterns here are re-used from content you have already beaten. Nothing to teach.
O8n(Sigma 4) - Question marks are lies. Beyond that, there is too much to explain and its hard to keep it all straight until youve seen it in action***. Lets pull, and if we fail we can go over what stopped us.

There. I hope that helps!

* Yes, the paintbrush is a new mechanic. Its also visually obvious what it does and fairly obvious when you should use it. Only the 4th painting can actually be screwed up(the rest are just extra damage for someone to heal off), and with todays ilvl sync the fight will end before the weirder combinations start to happen.
** Ok, technically the timebombs you can de-activate if you walk into the correct side are new. That is a very minor mech that only one person needs to do, and even failing it is just an explosion. And i do mean minor, because if the fight goes long enough for the boss to start repeating patterns this one gets left out.
*** Seriously, like 4 main attacks(each of which has a fake out version) plus your room wides and your tankbuster. Then you have the 3 tower phases each of which has a mech and a fakeout. But really, i dont want to spoil the surprise of the tower appearing more then anything. A convenient excuse not to explain 17 or 18 attacks? Maybe, but its still true.

[Catwho]

Copied factory last night. Had a tank who considered Provoke part of the rotation and used it on cooldown, but also only ever used Unmend as an attack, so immediately lost hate to the other (better) tanks within a couple of GCDs. This resulted in the boss spinning madly and cleaving a few people on the first boss, but once we realized what was happening, our tank made sure to stand right next to them. So we got through the first boss. Trash mobs, that tank continued using provoke on rotation (WHY) causing the stubbies to move from their nice tidy clumps, dragging the fights out needlessly.

Second and third boss main tanking doesn't matter quite as much (can't drag them and everyone gets the same tankbuster) , but on the third boss, the bad tank grabbed their adds and dragged them over to our tank, I think in retaliation for stealing hate despite their best efforts to provoke. The dreaded Tether of Suck appeared. By this time, everyone in all three alliance parties, including their own, suspected we were being trolled, and we started asking them to stop in party chat.

We made it to the final boss, and the bad tank was in pure troll mode by then. Provoke just in time to cleave the alliance, dragging their adds all over the place so that their parties stack marker was weird and its AOE hit others, and generally being a nuisance, all while taunting us in alliance chat.

Normally I'm not a fan of reporting someone for trollish behavior - but they were wearing Savage gear. They ought to know better by now. And getting belligerent back to everyone else asking them to stop, including their own party members, was a bridge too far. Have no idea what was said in that party's chat, but one of their members suggested we report for harassment. We'll leave it to the GMs to sort out from here.

[Rinhi]

was it perhaps a miqote from ultros?

[Nekaru_Infitima]

I noticed no one actually answered with the mechanics for these fights. I preface this by saying i am not a mentor, because i do not want to be one. I might also be short on comms(dont honestly remember the last time i looked), but this doesnt matter because as i said i do not want to be a mentor.

O6n(Sigma 2) - Dont worry about it, just pull. The fight is easy enough that you should figure it out* along the way.
O7n(Sigma 3) - All** of the mechs/aoe patterns here are re-used from content you have already beaten. Nothing to teach.
O8n(Sigma 4) - Question marks are lies. Beyond that, there is too much to explain and its hard to keep it all straight until youve seen it in action***. Lets pull, and if we fail we can go over what stopped us.

There. I hope that helps!

* Yes, the paintbrush is a new mechanic. Its also visually obvious what it does and fairly obvious when you should use it. Only the 4th painting can actually be screwed up(the rest are just extra damage for someone to heal off), and with todays ilvl sync the fight will end before the weirder combinations start to happen.
** Ok, technically the timebombs you can de-activate if you walk into the correct side are new. That is a very minor mech that only one person needs to do, and even failing it is just an explosion. And i do mean minor, because if the fight goes long enough for the boss to start repeating patterns this one gets left out.
*** Seriously, like 4 main attacks(each of which has a fake out version) plus your room wides and your tankbuster. Then you have the 3 tower phases each of which has a mech and a fakeout. But really, i dont want to spoil the surprise of the tower appearing more then anything. A convenient excuse not to explain 17 or 18 attacks? Maybe, but its still true.

Thanks, I already looked it up. My point is we had sprouts, and the battle mentors just IGNORED when it was asked the mechanics, didn't even say they didn't know. Like it's not their job, even though that's literally the job of the crown to answer questions for help. That's what ticks me off.

[Xirean]

Thanks, I already looked it up. My point is we had sprouts, and the battle mentors just IGNORED when it was asked the mechanics, didn't even say they didn't know. Like it's not their job, even though that's literally the job of the crown to answer questions for help. That's what ticks me off.

The story you gave did not mention a question being asked but rather a sprout simply stating that they don't know the fight. Those are two completely different things. Either way, I still think you're putting way too high of an expectation on people.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

The story you gave did not mention a question being asked but rather a sprout simply stating that they don't know the fight. Those are two completely different things. Either way, I still think you're putting way too high of an expectation on people.

I expect them to do their job? I fix computers IRL. Off the job, I won't fix them unless it's a friend. But on the job? That is the whole job to fix them.

You put that crown on, you are taking the job to help, answer questions, and be there to assist. Otherwise you should never have told the NPC you wanted to be a mentor.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I expect them to do their job? I fix computers IRL. Off the job, I won't fix them unless it's a friend. But on the job? That is the whole job to fix them.

You put that crown on, you are taking the job to help, answer questions, and be there to assist. Otherwise you should never have told the NPC you wanted to be a mentor.

Real talk, go dig up one of the thousand "mentor bad" threads that can be found in the depths of these forums if you want to get aggro for pages about it. At this point, you're dragging the thread off topic just to argue with people.

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As far as my own DF stories go, nothing majorly of note - but man. Let me tell you, as someone who has about 5 characters at endgame, I swear only one of them ever gets anything fun when I do Normal/Trial/Alliance roulette.

Most of my characters when I queue for those: First half of Alex, one of the ARR primals or Cape Gankwind, and CT roulette.

My xaela RDM when I queue for those: Latest Eden tier, Hades, and Tower at Paradigm's Breach (or one of the other two Nier raids).

I want to get fun stuff like that on everyone, if you please. :T

Also TIL that Alisaie has "vercure 3" which is an AoE heal. Sometimes I really want to see a spreadsheet of all the skills the Trusts have access to, because they continue to surprise me.