Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Xirean]

It was via party finder, not duty, but uh....

Just had the most annoying experience I've ever had.

Opened a party for the Bahamut Coils with my friend. We got a whole bunch of lvl60s. Ok. We'll run unsynced, no problem. We got to 2nd Coil Turn 3 and everything's going wrong so fast. We had just beaten the Medusa one too, so this should not be harder than that. I'm telling people what to do in party chat and so is one other person (the other tank, who was great btw), but this one person kept messing up (2nd tank). So we repeated ourselves over and over again. On the eight wipe or so, he finally says "Here's a video showing how to fight it". We load the youtube video. It was a Rick Roll. He had been trolling us the entire time. We had wasted so much time, only for it to be this guy was purposely losing and screwing everything up. My friend and I left via Abandon Vote, and now we're so annoyed we don't even want to do it.

And for what purpose did he do this? What do people like that gain from something like that?

They gain your dissatisfaction.

[Nishira]

I would just have said it was np at all, and that it’s perfectly understandable after such a long break Lio. You’ll get the hang of it in no time again no doubt, and till then I wish you groupmembers who can laugh and happily move on from it Hope you’ll have fun!

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Literally what I said when I replied to your first post about it in agreement. The problem being; a lot of people on here have done the same or won't admit to being bad dps....or they enable the behavior because "Tank has x CD that will take back aggro". Which its never about. Its the issue with bad DPS who wasn't taught to communicate with said tank. You even told him to stop...and he didn't listen...and somehow that turned into butthurt dps/enablers trying to spin the narrative that you should "just tank better"...so apparently reading comprehension is another issue.

Frankly my post was more a general response to people with your toxic attitude of "you pull you tank". I would have clarified earlier, but some of us tend to be at work most of the day rather than lurking a forum.

As far as the original post went, if the RDM wasn't bothering to bring the mobs over then yeah, they're an idiot - not for pulling ahead of the tank (though really, if you're popping sprint... a dps will rarely ever be ahead of you, from my experience. Not like it's the end of the world if they are, though), but for not at least dragging everything back rather than forcing someone to run after their mobs. That's just irritating. And if they were somehow constantly in every run being done, sure, leaving's valid.

But this whole bull about letting people die just because they dare be ahead of you or dare pull mobs is simply egotistical toxic trash. Your job as a tank is to be a meat shield, that's literally it. You aren't the leader. You alone don't set the pace. You aren't the only one allowed to pull, you're just the one who needs to make sure no one else is getting hit once stuff is.

And let me tell you, as someone who mains tank and healer primarily - I'm always going to be on the side of the dps who pulled extra to the tank than the tank throwing a baby tantrum and refusing to do their job, actively griefing their party in the doing so.

It's one button. Grow up and use it.

Frankly it's this prevalent toxic casualist passive aggressive crap that has made me basically stop doing 4-man content unless I've got a group of friends with me. Even trusts are better and quicker than some of the people playing this game nowadays.

[SavageCipher]

It was via party finder, not duty, but uh....

Just had the most annoying experience I've ever had.

Opened a party for the Bahamut Coils with my friend. We got a whole bunch of lvl60s. Ok. We'll run unsynced, no problem. We got to 2nd Coil Turn 3 and everything's going wrong so fast. We had just beaten the Medusa one too, so this should not be harder than that. I'm telling people what to do in party chat and so is one other person (the other tank, who was great btw), but this one person kept messing up (2nd tank). So we repeated ourselves over and over again. On the eight wipe or so, he finally says "Here's a video showing how to fight it". We load the youtube video. It was a Rick Roll. He had been trolling us the entire time. We had wasted so much time, only for it to be this guy was purposely losing and screwing everything up. My friend and I left via Abandon Vote, and now we're so annoyed we don't even want to do it.

And for what purpose did he do this? What do people like that gain from something like that?

Isn't that always the tired angle? Everyone wants to try and be funny online, no one ever wants to try and be good.

[SavageCipher]

Frankly my post was more a general response to people with your toxic attitude of "you pull you tank". I would have clarified earlier, but some of us tend to be at work most of the day rather than lurking a forum.

As far as the original post went, if the RDM wasn't bothering to bring the mobs over then yeah, they're an idiot - not for pulling ahead of the tank (though really, if you're popping sprint... a dps will rarely ever be ahead of you, from my experience. Not like it's the end of the world if they are, though), but for not at least dragging everything back rather than forcing someone to run after their mobs. That's just irritating. And if they were somehow constantly in every run being done, sure, leaving's valid.

But this whole bull about letting people die just because they dare be ahead of you or dare pull mobs is simply egotistical toxic trash. Your job as a tank is to be a meat shield, that's literally it. You aren't the leader. You alone don't set the pace. You aren't the only one allowed to pull, you're just the one who needs to make sure no one else is getting hit once stuff is.

And let me tell you, as someone who mains tank and healer primarily - I'm always going to be on the side of the dps who pulled extra to the tank than the tank throwing a baby tantrum and refusing to do their job, actively griefing their party in the doing so.

It's one button. Grow up and use it.

Frankly it's this prevalent toxic casualist passive aggressive crap that has made me basically stop doing 4-man content unless I've got a group of friends with me. Even trusts are better and quicker than some of the people playing this game nowadays.

Wasn't talking to or mentioned you, if the shoe fits though right? Like I mentioned before, I don't enable bad behavior. He's a DPS in end game content...he knows what happens when he/she pulls a big mob, they have the potential, to either be killed or get teammates killed. In which OP's case, he did. So yes, with people like the RDM, you pull it, you tank, it applies.

I already addressed the mistakes, or people not paying attention/technical issues, that are normal within dungeons and raids. But its not normal in ANY MMO, for DPS to pull blindly and hope the tank grabs em, WITHOUT communicating it first. Again, reading comprehension is a must, or people like you just want to grandstand with a narrative in your head, that comes from a reach. I don't have time to respond to every post that wants to play butthurt-enabler. Move on, don't quote me, you're not gonna change my mind.

As a tank, with a PUG, you're the only one who pulls, your job is to take aggro, and make sure you pop those CD's....DPS is paper, and Healers are weaker than that, till some MMO changes that very easy to understand dynamic, you may have a point. But roles exist for a reason. Your job as a DPS, is to click the shiny buttons in combo order and kill things, THATS IT. You don't pull, and you definitely don't lead. Give pointers, advice, tips, mechanics, etc. But fall in line. Maybe you need to make some low level toons and remind yourself of these important roles. Don't be fooled by the end game armor, the holy trinity works and has existed for a long time. Drop the ego...unless of course you can show me a vid of a healer tanking dungeons (at their level) and a DPS tanking(obviously synched) Till then, fall in line. Again, I don't hear/see any of this behavior in raids with FC's....mainly because everyone understands, reads/looks up vids and bows to the holy trinity...because it works.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Wasn't talking to or mentioned you, if the shoe fits though right? Like I mentioned before, I don't enable bad behavior. He's a DPS in end game content...he knows what happens when he/she pulls a big mob, they have the potential, to either be killed or get teammates killed. In which OP's case, he did. So yes, with people like the RDM, you pull it, you tank, it applies.

I already addressed the mistakes, or people not paying attention/technical issues, that are normal within dungeons and raids. But its not normal in ANY MMO, for DPS to pull blindly and hope the tank grabs em, WITHOUT communicating it first. Again, reading comprehension is a must, or people like you just want to grandstand with a narrative in your head, that comes from a reach. I don't have time to respond to every post that wants to play butthurt-enabler. Move on, don't quote me, you're not gonna change my mind.

You made a blanket statement for anyone who posted something to the effect of telling off people with your toxic attitude, so yeah, if the shoe fits I suppose.

Baring honest mistakes or simply the way a dungeon is set up, if a DPS is pulling in endgame dungeons it either means the tank's going too slow, or they're otherwise assuming the tank will actually perform their primary job function rather than throw a little fit like some kind of child who was never taught how to play nice with others.

There's nothing here about reading comprehension - it's literally just people saying don't be a toxic waste of space in a team-based game. Do your job you signed up for, put your ego aside (you are not special just because you play a tank, I know that's some kind of bubble burst to most people like you, but yeah), and get the dungeon done without griefing your party members by intentionally killing them. From one tank to another - you aren't the de facto leader, you aren't the only one capable of pulling, you just hit your AoE a couple times and slap on a mitigation CD. You're a meat shield, nothing more and nothing less. Anything else you associate to the role of a tank is your own delusion.

Aggro is the easiest it's ever been to grab. Tanks are braindead when it comes to keeping mobs' attention, compared to how things were back in older expansions. There's literally no excuse to perpetuate some rancid ego trip like punishing someone for grabbing extra mobs and pulling them back to be AoE'd down by the group. People who continue to stubbornly grief their party in that manner are little more than petulant children to most, and are rarely tolerated in a group. Especially at level cap.

Granted I know with you types it's like talking to a brick wall trying to explain to you why your behavior is petty, unhelpful, and toxic. So keep yelling into the abyss for all I care; I just know if I ever have the displeasure of getting you in my roulettes, that it'll be a quick and easy report, and an even quicker kick.

(Also lmao "don't quote me", this is a public forum you realize? People can quote you all they like and there ain't anything you can do about it but stay mad.)

As a tank, with a PUG, you're the only one who pulls, your job is to take aggro, and make sure you pop those CD's....DPS is paper, and Healers are weaker than that, till some MMO changes that very easy to understand dynamic, you may have a point. But roles exist for a reason. Your job as a DPS, is to click the shiny buttons in combo order and kill things, THATS IT. You don't pull, and you definitely don't lead. Give pointers, advice, tips, mechanics, etc. But fall in line. Maybe you need to make some low level toons and remind yourself of these important roles. Don't be fooled by the end game armor, the holy trinity works and has existed for a long time. Drop the ego...unless of course you can show me a vid of a healer tanking dungeons (at their level) and a DPS tanking(obviously synched) Till then, fall in line. Again, I don't hear/see any of this behavior in raids with FC's....mainly because everyone understands, reads/looks up vids and bows to the holy trinity...because it works.

The sheer amount of power tripping in this post is staggering. The only one with an ego here is you, tbh.

Also since you like quoting reading comprehension, maybe realize my main is GNB - a tank - and I routinely mention I'm usually also on healer. I rarely DPS in dungeons anymore specifically because of people like you getting high off some weird ego trip and acting like people should listen to you and only you in a randomly-matched dungeon run. Bro, we're there to get in and get out so we can move on to other stuff. No one's there to kiss your feet like you're some kind of god just because you chose to pick the meat shield role in the trinity.

It's baffling that actual adults think in such a warped and childish manner as you do.

[Moonfish]

It was via party finder, not duty, but uh....

Just had the most annoying experience I've ever had.

Opened a party for the Bahamut Coils with my friend. We got a whole bunch of lvl60s. Ok. We'll run unsynced, no problem. We got to 2nd Coil Turn 3 and everything's going wrong so fast. We had just beaten the Medusa one too, so this should not be harder than that. I'm telling people what to do in party chat and so is one other person (the other tank, who was great btw), but this one person kept messing up (2nd tank). So we repeated ourselves over and over again. On the eight wipe or so, he finally says "Here's a video showing how to fight it". We load the youtube video. It was a Rick Roll. He had been trolling us the entire time. We had wasted so much time, only for it to be this guy was purposely losing and screwing everything up. My friend and I left via Abandon Vote, and now we're so annoyed we don't even want to do it.

And for what purpose did he do this? What do people like that gain from something like that?

I feel like I would have reported this level of trolling.

[Herebedragons]

Frankly my post was more a general response to people with your toxic attitude of "you pull you tank".

You'll excuse me if I don't believe you. Because you quoted me, plucked one of my post out of a conversation I had been having with other posters for a while, took it out of context and told me to rein in my ego and grow up.

When my story was about a silent DPS on a power trip griefing me.

Can we stop now? I already said I was done here, and there are other threads for that discussion.

[Rinhi]

Wasn't talking to or mentioned you, if the shoe fits though right? Like I mentioned before, I don't enable bad behavior. He's a DPS in end game content...he knows what happens when he/she pulls a big mob, they have the potential, to either be killed or get teammates killed. In which OP's case, he did. So yes, with people like the RDM, you pull it, you tank, it applies.

I already addressed the mistakes, or people not paying attention/technical issues, that are normal within dungeons and raids. But its not normal in ANY MMO, for DPS to pull blindly and hope the tank grabs em, WITHOUT communicating it first. Again, reading comprehension is a must, or people like you just want to grandstand with a narrative in your head, that comes from a reach. I don't have time to respond to every post that wants to play butthurt-enabler. Move on, don't quote me, you're not gonna change my mind.

it's an endgame dungeon, the tank should be wall to walling and using sprint on cooldown and never let the DPS get into a position to pull for them, you answered it yourself
at endgame, the majority of tanks also do not give the slightest heck if you pull for them unless they have an ego or "tankxiety" either

As a tank, with a PUG, you're the only one who pulls, your job is to take aggro, and make sure you pop those CD's....DPS is paper, and Healers are weaker than that, till some MMO changes that very easy to understand dynamic, you may have a point. But roles exist for a reason. Your job as a DPS, is to click the shiny buttons in combo order and kill things, THATS IT. You don't pull, and you definitely don't lead. Give pointers, advice, tips, mechanics, etc. But fall in line. Maybe you need to make some low level toons and remind yourself of these important roles. Don't be fooled by the end game armor, the holy trinity works and has existed for a long time. Drop the ego...unless of course you can show me a vid of a healer tanking dungeons (at their level) and a DPS tanking(obviously synched) Till then, fall in line. Again, I don't hear/see any of this behavior in raids with FC's....mainly because everyone understands, reads/looks up vids and bows to the holy trinity...because it works.

lmao, no words

[Herebedragons]

it's an endgame dungeon, the tank should be wall to walling and using sprint on cooldown and never let the DPS get into a position to pull for them, you answered it yourself
at endgame, the majority of tanks also do not give the slightest heck if you pull for them unless they have an ego or "tankxiety" either

Thanks for the diagnosis, Doc! Let me see now...

I keep getting that one RDM in my Expert/80 roulettes, always the same one (I won't name them of course, but man). That one RDM with a shiny ultimate weapon (hot stuff!) who just won't let me tank (I go as GNB).

I pull W2W, and yet somehow it's still not enough for them. They keep running far far ahead of me pulling everything, they even pull the bosses before I reach the area.

I'm not the "you pull it you tank it" kind of tank, but that one RDM just grinds my gears.

Just now in The Grand Cosmos, I stopped for a moment after beating the first boss to type in chat and tell them to stop pulling that crap (not in those words). They didn't care, they sprinted all the way to the next wall and died. The healer and the other DPS, who had followed the RDM btw, ended up bringing all the mobs back to me so we could burn them. And the only thing the RDM thought to do after that was slap a marker "target to ignore" on me. It might seem silly to get annoyed by this, but as I said I keep getting that guy and it's always the same thing. If you're gonna be like that then queue as a tank ffs

Anyway I just left the dungeon. Thought I would vent here while waiting for the penalty to run out.

Hmmmmm... I'm gonna be looking for another shrink...