Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Rinhi]

Let's get real here, go back to the point where I posted about being nice to new players and read everything that person said. I did not do anything wrong, this is bizarre stuff. If there are indeed moderators here I sincerely hope they read this thread. Edit: And not just my replies.

your first post was assuming that the posts are about players like you who are new to the game and not mostly about players that really should be better, so this was your first mistake - it can happen, no big deal
kaoru clarified for what this thread is for and explained that the majority of the people that vent in here are actually quite helpful, especially to new players - and also explained why people vent about players at level cap

your immediate response was to bring up WoW (rent free btw) because it's seen as a toxic cesspit of hell, which it obviously isn't, then believing the "cult" that XIV is all happiness and rainbows with no toxicity or mean words, which it also isn't and accusing kaoru as selfish and intolerant, which can be seen as a personal attack, only because they disagreed with you (which makes you the toxic one, btw. not to mention bringing up your personal experience in a community and generalising the rest with that miniscule sample size isn't a cool thing to do!)
also, at level 65+ you've spent a considerable amount of time with that class and should have some basic competency and if a player doesn't have that, they should honestly watch a playthrough of the game on youtube instead - or have a friend stream it for them, call me toxic and whatnot for this, I don't care

your posts continued to escalate the issue afterwards as you were too stubborn to accept you jumped to the wrong conclusions

[Seera1024]

Let's get real here, go back to the point where I posted about being nice to new players and read everything that person said. I did not do anything wrong, this is bizarre stuff. If there are indeed moderators here I sincerely hope they read this thread. Edit: And not just my replies.

That's the thing people have been trying to tell you though:

People in here aren't venting on the new players for things new players get passes on. Or at least not intentionally. Everyone in this thread knows new players are in the game and they get way more leniency on things than a veteran player. Because they're new.

They're venting on players who have multiple classes leveled up in a role and messing up basic role mechanics: like cooldown usage for tanks.

They're venting on players who are messing up basic class principles well into content designed for level 60+. Like swapping elements for black mage, positionals for melee dps, cooldown usage for tanks, etc. (Edit to add: and by messing up I mean not doing at all, and not players who are attempting to do it right but failing).

You got defensive on the first person to point that out to you and that's where you went wrong. Your word choice has been painting those you're replying against in a negative light - not just their actions and that's not nice. You may not have intended for people to take it that way, but that's how it comes off.

Forum users are a small minority of any game. This thread does not have that many unique posters in it. Which means the posters here are a minority of forum users. Meaning that they are a minority of a minority group. To paint an entire community based off a thread posted in mainly by the minority of a minority population of the game is not wise. Especially when more evidence exists that the community is the opposite of the impression you get from this thread.

[MilkieTea]

Agreed, I'm done here.

Clearly not...

Let's get real here, go back to the point where I posted about being nice to new players and read everything that person said. I did not do anything wrong, this is bizarre stuff. If there are indeed moderators here I sincerely hope they read this thread. Edit: And not just my replies.

Except that's literally not what 99% of this thread is covering. People are pretty understanding about new players.

Players at level 65~80 are no longer new and are expected to have at least some basic idea of how to play their class and perform in a group setting. People at level cap have zero excuse for lacking knowledge in either fashion, and giving people a shite attitude when it's pointed out to them or they're asked to at least try to learn only worsens their position. People are not obligated to put up with someone playing like garbage at level cap. They have had plenty of time to learn by then.

Let's break this down.

Players at level 65~80 are no longer new

By level 65, a player is no longer new. They may have the sprout above their head, but this doesn't mean anything when you've gone through at least 23 dungeons, 15 trials, 3 24-man alliance raids, several msq instance quests, among other overworld contents. Should they be the top of their class, master of all? No. But by 65, a healer should know not to only use their first cure skill and to throw some DPS skills at bosses when they have the chance. DPS should be working on understanding their positionals (Not saying they have to have ALREADY gotten this down), or how to dodge AOEs while still casting, or how to shoot your oGCD party buff at least once per party. Tanks should know to turn their tank stance on and to use at least one mitigation skill. This is where the idea of basic competency comes into play. What I have described is basic competency.

Learning your class that you chose to play is basic competency. Or as Kaoru stated: some basic idea.

Giving people a shite attitude when it's pointed out to them

This is unacceptable. If I say "Heyo, can you please do more than cure 1? I keep dying and I feel like that's the reason." Either respond positively or don't respond at all. A negative response with attitude is unnecessary and rude.

They have had plenty of time to learn by then.

By level cap, one should already know to maintain basic positionals on melee dps, to turn on their tank stance and rotate mitigation skills on tank, to not stand in aoes all the time, to do more than cure 1 in a level cap dungeon.

These stories aren't of newbies being new and doing newbie things like forgetting to do things because theyre new. The majority of times theyre about players in level cap dungeons or optional side content neglecting to do things they should already know how to do.

In response to this, you responded:

You're really no different than the World of Warcraft community, that's exactly the same attitude. People learn at different speeds, they might not have it all figured out by level 65. Some were painting the FF community as less toxic than WoW's and I think that is pure nonsense. People are the same everywhere and they are usually going to be selfish and intolerant.

You have no idea who I am, certainly not the type of person you are painting me as, I do think you take video games too seriously though. Secondly, I am not a kid, judging by your disrespectful tone I would wager that I am probably old enough to be your father, proper adults don't speak that way to people.

This is a fascinating discussion. Your replies have been extremely rude and intolerant and yet you are attempting to paint me as a villain, even calling me entitled. Weird. You do take video games far too seriously as evidenced by your diatribes, you will need to learn how to communicate with people in an adult manner or you're going to have a tough time in life honey-bunny. That's my hot tip for you, no charge.

What is it we see here? Condescension, rudeness, etc etc.

Nothing you have said has any basis in reality, I think you are angry and I am truly sorry about that, I did not intend for my original comment to end up in a flame fest. I am allowed to have my opinion on this community or any other community and you are free to disagree with it, but you are not allowed to bully me or anyone else. At least you shouldn't be, but I have a feeling these forums are a free for all.

You then proceeded to attempt to gaslight everyone reading this into thinking that what they quoted was not what you said - when it was. On top of this, you insinuated that they were bullying you by pointing out what you said. Laughable.

[BaconBits]

How come nobody told me Black Mages could use Earth Aspected spells?

I've never seen one make a mountain out of a molehill before, let alone a nonexistent one.

[Rinhi]

Forum users are a small minority of any game. This thread does not have that many unique posters in it. Which means the posters here are a minority of forum users. Meaning that they are a minority of a minority group. To paint an entire community based off a thread posted in mainly by the minority of a minority population of the game is not wise. Especially when more evidence exists that the community is the opposite of the impression you get from this thread.

hot take: it'd be a healthier community if it was more like this thread and less of that sarcastic, passive aggressive, backstabbing kind of toxicity that attempts to strongarm everyone to conform to that "niceness" this community is "known for" while not so subtly threatening the 'detractors' with reporting them - mostly over minor disagreements
it's all over this forum, too, as it is on reddit, twitter and in-game

[Titania40]

I stopped being "new" by the time I had leveled monk to 20. Maybe I didn't have every mechanic and ability mastered. Still don't, due to not having all of them yet. Might have taken me a bit to get the hang of positioning for maximum effect. And sometimes I still forget which skill is which positional. But hey, I now have a buff that negates the need for positioning for 30 seconds at a time. So it's all good. Right? I have redone my hotbar layouts a few times now, and am still working on my rotations to find one I find fun that's also effective. But all of that is stuff that comes with time and having a chance to actually use abilities. The basics though one should have learned by level 20, level 30 at most.

Not knowing by heart a boss's specific mechanics is not the same as not knowing how to play your class. If someone is level 65, yeah they should be expected to know how their class works by then. If it's someone who's on a class that starts at 60 or 70, or are one of the base game's jobs at 70, then yes they might not know what they are doing yet. It's possible that person paid for a level boost and MSQ bypass. But knowing how to play your chosen class, that's something that should take someone 65 levels.

Hell, it didn't take me very long to get the handle on playing a dancer, and they start at level 60 with most of their abilities already unlocked. It just took me going over the tooltips, figuring out which abilities combo into which other ones, and a bit of practice putting it all together.

[Hausti]

Agreed, I'm done here.

I shouldnt say this but please stick to your own words.

I just happened to have done a baelsar's wall that's perfect for this thread so it doesn't devolve into complete off-topic

it had:
- a tank with two tanks roles cap who did not use a single cooldown
- could not keep aggro and a dps and I, a scholar, kept ripping it away from him
- did not listen to instructions on the pyretic? mechanic and kept being hit and dying to it
- 3 times
- did not provoke back even as the boss kept ping ponging between the rest of the group (and then complaining that the boss doesn't target them again???)
- almost single pulled despite never being in any danger of dying to mobs
- ate every TB of the griffin raw as if it was breakfast and wiped the group because of it - twice

should've probably kicked him after the second boss, but the belief that it'll get better is there, you know? (it never gets better)
at least the alt-rdm knew what they were doing and gave decent advice to the sprout sam, who slowly started to grasp his kit and by the end of it was using most of what he had available :3

Sounds like the tank i had in neverreap the other day. I was unlocking hw dungeons on my alt (astro) together with 2 friends (dnc, mnk). That tank did single pulls and still lost hate to everyone. After the second island i was healing the dps more then him. I thought he was a bot but then he spoke up after falling down at the endboss so i guess he was just bad at tanking.

[Somnolence]

Healers should be doing more than spamming their low level cure spell over and over again in high level content.

With a lot of new players coming to the game I feel like I am getting trolled by Square Enix recently when tanking dungeons. So many free cure proc fishing WHMs lately, and who can blame them for assuming this critically acclaimed and popular MMO does not have useless skills and pointless traits that are just noob bait, so you cannot figure out how to play your job by just reading tooltips.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

...your posts continued to escalate the issue afterwards as you were too stubborn to accept you jumped to the wrong conclusions

Sometimes people really need to read this thread's tag before even playing the white knight for players that weren't even being discussed from first place.

[Jettinson]

Sometimes I wonder if saying something in a dungeon/trial would have changed anything...
Had a healer in Doma Castle that used an ilv130 weapon and I was baffled but i couldn't bring myself to say that.

But on happier note, the Crown of Immaculate is always exciting to do with new players, gets lots of reaction in many ways