Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SturmChurro]

Regen is not such a big deal that you should feel the need to apologize over, or stress over too much. It isn't that bad, and aggro can be picked up. I'm not gonna go out of my way to berate a healer over it. I don't think I've even mentioned regen to healers in-game. I'll click it off, and keep on pulling. Most of the time I probably don't even bother clicking it off, or rather don't notice, so used to it. Certain pulls it can be really annoying though, like when the healer pulls off of you and runs in the opposite direction or something. It's more of a habit I got myself into more than anything else because of the times I've had an annoying experience, to click it off.

[CressSiren]

To answer a few questions posed from my last post:

Yes, that tank used those exact words, minus the obvious censoring I did when providing the quote. FC members also sent a report, so GMs can have fun with 'em.

Said tank was also lying earlier in the run saying they didn't click off regen but then admitted to removing it the whole run at the end of it.


Anyway! While it's not DF, PF still sort of counts. Today was BLU leveling day so I went to Lochs, found a leveling party and we all did our best reenactment of Ivalice Unlock/Red Comet ;D T'was loads of fun.

[Cincierta]

I regretted my decision earlier today to do my very first E1. I decided to queue as PLD, and got in right away, and somehow got the same instance as a FC mate that was queuing for it too. I ran it blind, because FC mates said 'you should do it blind because we did too! You'll have fun!'

My stanceless GNB co-tank kept aiming the cleaves and tankbuster beams at the party, and my FC mate nearly ate it on his SMN. The add he grabbed he kept aimed at the party. The cleaves looked like they hurt too.

That wasn't fun at all D:

Edit: just got done with E4. I died so much as tank because I had no idea of his mechanics, and same said people demanded I do it blind. I'm not gonna bother listening to their demands anymore. I felt like a f*cking embarrassment to the rest of the party.

[Frizze]

I agree with your FC that going in blind is fine for normal mode. I wouldnt say its required, but its fine. From the sounds of it you cleared just fine, so the deaths were probly more of a personal frustration that an impediment for your group to succeed. Of course, if you didnt enjoy yourself youre free to try it a different way next time. And E4 does that to everyone on their first time. A couple of his knockbacks arent really telegraphed in a way that makes it clear what to do. Obviously i dont stand in front of mario kart, but its not obvious that i need to be on the wide side. Its even less obvious that i want to be in front of megaman for the first shot, though the follow up shots are straight-forward enough.

If it makes you feel more confident, E5 only has like 4 or 5 moves and most of them are visually obvious. The non-spoiler key to the fight is remembering the first time you fought them.

[Hausti]

If you do stuff blind just take a couple of friends with you. Its more fun that way. And less embarrassing. (Especially with voice chat.)

[Aldora]

Regen is not such a big deal that you should feel the need to apologize over, or stress over too much. It isn't that bad, and aggro can be picked up. I'm not gonna go out of my way to berate a healer over it. I don't think I've even mentioned regen to healers in-game. I'll click it off, and keep on pulling. Most of the time I probably don't even bother clicking it off, or rather don't notice, so used to it. Certain pulls it can be really annoying though, like when the healer pulls off of you and runs in the opposite direction or something. It's more of a habit I got myself into more than anything else because of the times I've had an annoying experience, to click it off.

It's also the initial regen tick before generating hate on the enemies as a tank, which is the annoying part. With the way the enemies move and latency on top of that, they can run past you and slap the healer before the game registered that you have "top hate". When i tank and a white mage gives me a regen before i've hit any enemies, i tend to click it off. If they give me a regen after i've established hate, then it's fine. It just makes picking up the enemies a lot smoother / less cumbersome.

On the other hand, when i play as a WHM, i refrain from giving a regen to the tank until he's finished with the pull. If i want to make sure he doesn't receive damage, i'll put a shield (Divine Benison) on him before the enemies spawn. That way, casting the ability will not generate hate. If they tank does get considerable damage during the pull, an instant heal after hate has been established will be enough.

[Lumivyory]

Can someone explain why 90% of the healers I see in 24-man raids just refuse to heal and let their co-healer do all the job?
It's especially bad if there are 2 of these and they will have a silent competition of "whoever heals first becomes the solo healer".

Ran into one of those in World of Darkness just now. All he did was Stone II and little regens that were 95% of the time for himself.
I can totally understand DPSing when there is nothing to heal but people were literally dying or were already dead and he did absolutely nothing but Stone II.
And sure, WoD isn't that hard but it's not a faceroll like CT or ST, people mess up all the time and just today I've seen about 7 wipes on different bosses.
Honestly, if you're not gonna heal - switch to a DPS.
And then people call you toxic for wanting to kick useless healers. It's so disrespectful to just silently let your co-healer do all the work.

Sigh. Was very tempted to run Cloud's lazer through him.

[Rilifane]

I actually have a question related to Regen. I've only just recently started healing myself, but when you tank, and a Regen still has enough time to last into the next pull, would you be better clicking it off or being especially ready to take all the enmity back? I assume the latter? (Though I suppose if you know the healer personally it might be less chaotic to just tell them to be ready to slap on a fresh one for every pull.)

I know some tanks will vehemently disagree but if as long as you make sue that you tail the tank, it's completely fine to give regens between pulls or even prepull. The only mistakes many healers make is staying too far away from the tank. Just run as closely stacked with them as you can and it's all good.
They pop sprint? Do the same. The stand still for a GCD to get another aoe in? Do the same.
If I see a healer not doing the sensible thing, I'll click it off.
So if you see a healer prepull Regen you but not staying close to you, I think it's better to click it off. Too many people panic when they get aggro from wet noodles and run away.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Can someone explain why 90% of the healers I see in 24-man raids just refuse to heal and let their co-healer do all the job?
It's especially bad if there are 2 of these and they will have a silent competition of "whoever heals first becomes the solo healer".

Ran into one of those in World of Darkness just now. All he did was Stone II and little regens that were 95% of the time for himself.
I can totally understand DPSing when there is nothing to heal but people were literally dying or were already dead and he did absolutely nothing but Stone II.
And sure, WoD isn't that hard but it's not a faceroll like CT or ST, people mess up all the time and just today I've seen about 7 wipes on different bosses.
Honestly, if you're not gonna heal - switch to a DPS.
And then people call you toxic for wanting to kick useless healers. It's so disrespectful to just silently let your co-healer do all the work.

Sigh. Was very tempted to run Cloud's lazer through him.

I mean personally, half the time you only need one healer actually healing in Alliance runs unless things start going south fast. Otherwise you end up with a situation where someone is overhealing where they could be contributing to dps. This is especially true in the CT raids, where I think WHM is the only healer without any instant heals outside of Benediction - if their co-healer is already managing to heal people faster than them, their time is better spent just dpsing until more healing is necessary than slapping a regen bandaid on someone.

Now people who refuse to help heal even when many people are getting hurt or dead, that's a different story. But it honestly isn't a big deal for one healer to be doing primary healing in CT raids while the other is mostly a green dps. Ivalice and Nier are where you need to be balancing healer contribution more since there's a lot more going on in those and more damage going out. (Though speaking from experience, they're relatively easy to solo heal unless everyone's messing up constantly)

[Lumivyory]

But it honestly isn't a big deal for one healer to be doing primary healing in CT raids while the other is mostly a green dps.

DPSing while people are dead or low on HP while your co-healer who has barely any mana left is trying to hard-raise one of 4 dead people is just something that no amount of "these raids are easy" can excuse.
And it's sad that I see this happen way too often.

At least communicate, ask the other healer if they are okay with solo healing. Forcing others into this, especially sprouts, is wrong.
I can't imagine how stressful it can be for a newbie healer to suddenly have to heal a raid alone.