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  1. #29741
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    One thing that always baffles me is how apparently the first person to speak up when something goes wrong is automatically accepted as the only offender. Wether it was a "sorry", some funny comment or even asking someone for something specific (more mitigation, doing mechanics etc).

    So, let's say a dps made a mistake, ate extra damage and maybe a nice little cleansable debuff like paralysis, a strong dot or whatever. You heal the damage they took, maybe go back to the tank for a moment, prepare for Esuna on the dps ... aand they die. Maybe because they couldn't dodge with para/ slow in time or the extra damage from the dot coincided with an aoe, so you could've prevented it but misjudged a bit.
    You type a quick "sorry" and the dps that made the mistake comes back with something "it happens. just try to do better next time".

    Or let's say someone eats some really spicy extra damage, maybe even in the form of a strong dot that requires more than one heal. In the end you got to pick between tank and the one who ate extra, someone dies, you write something like "oof that was messy" and you get a "np but heal more next time". Again, from the person that messed up in the first place.

    I had it happen in almost every single dungeon I was in when leveling healer. Most of them ARR dungeons, so there is a good amount of active healing to do and you have less tools, which makes correcting mistakes more difficult. I still tried and and excect for one case it went well but everytime I wrote anything, even if it was just some lighthearted comment, I instantly got "np BUT...".
    Like... guys... I wasn't the one messing up. I was the one trying to correct those mistakes.

    It's not just a healer only thing, I have the same happening when I'm on dps. Like the tank dies from lack of mitiation/ healing/ overdoing it, everything instantly makes a beeline for me and I could've survived a couple of GCDs with Bloodbath, Second Wind, Third Eye + Merciful Eyes and Arm's Lengths, maybe long enough for everyone to get back on track but had it on CD from sometime earlier and type "should've held XY back xD".
    And the response is "yeah well, at least you know better next time".

    Not outright unfriendly or aggressive but it's often this pseudo-forgiving "np buuut".
    Rarely do I see a "nah, I should've pulled less/ dodged it" etc.

    I've seen a couple of sprouts be really harsh on themselves when this happens because they genuinly believe they were at fault and only them, when they weren't. When the only thing they did "wrong" wasn't reacting in a way that saved the pull, which isn't easy in the first place nor should it be treated as a mistake when they don't manage to do it.
    A couple of sprouts were even crestfallen enough to leave the dungeon before I could intervene and make them understand that it wasn't on them. Saying something like "I shouldn't play tank/ healer, I'm just wiping us" although they were doing really well.

    If I messed up, I messed up and I'll apologize. And if someone apologizes for nothing because they thought they messed up, but didn't, why not make sure they know they did nothing wrong?
    Are people so happy that others didn't notice they made a mistake that they will jump at the chance of directly or indirectly blaming others, even if they did nothing wrong?
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 12-23-2020 at 11:18 PM.

  2. #29742
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    Infindox's Avatar
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Omg I just had a really bad Trials Roulette expecting I get something easy or a fight I like right before daily reset and I get Emerald Weapon, only to do so poorly and die so much I ran out immediately after. I apologise to everyone who had to run that with me.
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  3. #29743
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    tinythinker's Avatar
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    Omi Senu
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    Omg I just had a really bad Trials Roulette expecting I get something easy or a fight I like right before daily reset and I get Emerald Weapon, only to do so poorly and die so much I ran out immediately after. I apologise to everyone who had to run that with me.
    I assure you it wasn't a worse performance that what I turned in a few minutes ago after I decided to try using DF Roulette again for something other than Main Scenario and Frontlines. Hope your future runs go better.
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    Thanks for helping make the FFXIV community a fun and welcoming place. If you're not sure you have (and you very likely have), make it a point to be patient or helpful the next time you log in so that you can know you've made a difference.

    If you're on the Aether data center, congratulations! I might be your next exciting adventure healer in the Duty Finder. Please look forward to it.

  4. #29744
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Alaha Vellonnu
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raltar View Post
    Expecting comms means you won't ever get them. Never expect them because 99% of the player base(well, of all MMORPGs, really, not just this game) has downs.
    I normally don't expect them, I get them when I get them, but for that run was just a flaming garbage dump. You'd think I'd at least get a 'thanks for the save!' from the newbie. I didn't even get a 'thank you for the run' at the end of the dungeon either.

    Looking back on what happened yesterday in that run, I should have just let the mobs kill me so I could dip out. It's because of that sort of sh*t from tanks and party members that I'm thinking of just not playing healer anymore except for fc mates.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  5. #29745
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    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    Omg I just had a really bad Trials Roulette expecting I get something easy or a fight I like right before daily reset and I get Emerald Weapon, only to do so poorly and die so much I ran out immediately after. I apologise to everyone who had to run that with me.
    It happens.

    I kind of got a DPS killed today. It's a little different, but the embarrassment is the same.
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  6. #29746
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    Van Arn
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    Goblin
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    When you go into a trial roulette and see 5 people in cutscene for emerald weapon, you know you’re in for a good time.
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  7. #29747
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    When you go into a trial roulette and see 5 people in cutscene for emerald weapon, you know you’re in for a good time.
    A wise man once told me: The penalty for leaving would have been less than the penalty for staying.

    On a related topic, I wiped us in the Seat of Sacrifice because I cast tank LB too early. Oops. First time (tanking; second time ever), sorry! The group was super cool about it. But I was that tank. Yup.

    Oh, to expand on this, here's a list of the other stupid things I did that trial:
    -Both me and the other tank didn't have tank LB bound. I thought I did, but wipe #1 (I play on controller, and I can't see all of my hotbars at once.)
    -I said "LAG," but it was 100% a lie.
    -My friend (who was the other tank) died because our healers didn't heal him to full. So I became MT. We agreed he'd tank the second phase... but I forgot to remove tank stance. The boss turned around and belted me in the face.

    Lessons learned.

    I just started tanking again after a year of being away from the game. T_T
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    Last edited by Lynesse; 12-24-2020 at 06:17 PM.

  8. #29748
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynesse View Post
    A wise man once told me: The penalty for leaving would have been less than the penalty for staying.

    On a related topic, I wiped us in the Seat of Sacrifice because I cast tank LB too early. Oops. First time (tanking; second time ever), sorry! The group was super cool about it. But I was that tank. Yup.

    Oh, to expand on this, here's a list of the other stupid things I did that trial:
    -Both me and the other tank didn't have tank LB bound. I thought I did, but wipe #1 (I play on controller, and I can't see all of my hotbars at once.)
    -I said "LAG," but it was 100% a lie.
    -My friend (who was the other tank) died because our healers didn't heal him to full. So I became MT. We agreed he'd tank the second phase... but I forgot to remove tank stance. The boss turned around and belted me in the face.

    Lessons learned.

    I just started tanking again after a year of being away from the game. T_T
    How dare you not know exactly how long a move you have never used before lasts and exactly when in an enemy cast you need to use it to be effective!

    But nah, i kid. Dont worry about it. I think this is the first time theyve set up a fight for a tank break in the MSQ so far. All the other ones i can remember were in raids. So im guessing a lot of people learned and/or didnt have it on their bars.
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  9. #29749
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    How dare you not know exactly how long a move you have never used before lasts and exactly when in an enemy cast you need to use it to be effective!

    But nah, i kid. Dont worry about it. I think this is the first time theyve set up a fight for a tank break in the MSQ so far. All the other ones i can remember were in raids. So im guessing a lot of people learned and/or didnt have it on their bars.
    Haha, thank you.

    I found out that I misremembered the tank stance thing, but it's not important.

    I have to start slamming myself into trials and raids to get all this rust off. Hope everyone's okay with having their runs ruined.
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  10. #29750
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynesse View Post
    On a related topic, I wiped us in the Seat of Sacrifice because I cast tank LB too early. Oops. First time (tanking; second time ever), sorry!
    You tanked once and then jumped straight into a current EX raid?
    That's bold~
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