Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Vahlnir]

Ah yes, the "Use Hallowed Ground every pull! What? 7 minute CD timer? I don't care!" line of argument.

So after every pull i should just stand around and do nothing for like 5 to 6 minutes so HG has time to come back up, is that what you are saying?

Because that's what i would have had to do in order to have a HG to use for that incident, due to having already had to use it earlier.

That thing is not spammable (unless you are the Seat Of Sacrifice boss in response to an attempted DPS LB anyway), contrary to what some people seem to think.

What you will need to do next then is go GNB and give your healer the same type of heart attack when you use Superbolide. Turnabout is fair play and all that.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Ah yes, the "Use Hallowed Ground every pull! What? 7 minute CD timer? I don't care!" line of argument.

So after every pull i should just stand around and do nothing for like 5 to 6 minutes so HG has time to come back up, is that what you are saying?

Because that's what i would have had to do in order to have a HG to use for that incident, due to having already had to use it earlier.

That thing is not spammable (unless you are the Seat Of Sacrifice boss in response to an attempted DPS LB anyway), contrary to what some people seem to think.

Ah yes, how convenient.

You already had used it to save your life on a normal pull and you still continued with the same healer and didn't bother telling them anything? Then you let them get you killed again and came here to complain about them?

So either you recognized it was bad and you still decided to carry on, therefore accepting the consequences. Or you're just making this all up (most likely).

Pick your poison: either you're a doormat tank who still comes here to lash out at healers because you decide not to act when it's important, or you're a bad tank making up excuses and stories for laughs. I know the playerbase is terrible but no tank has this many incidents with healers and still keeps telling it's always their fault.

[Vahlnir]

Ah yes, how convenient.

You already had used it to save your life on a normal pull and you still continued with the same healer and didn't bother telling them anything? Then you let them get you killed again and came here to complain about them?

So either you recognized it was bad and you still decided to carry on, therefore accepting the consequences. Or you're just making this all up (most likely).

Pick your poison: either you're a doormat tank who still comes here to lash out at healers because you decide not to act when it's important, or you're a bad tank making up excuses and stories for laughs. I know the playerbase is terrible but no tank has this many incidents with healers and still keeps telling it's always their fault.

In fairness, a lot of people will simply keep going without saying a word, or they leave. If something gets bad enough then I will just leave. People can potentially be reported for calling others out even if they deserve to be called out. That sort of deters any meaningful feedback from being delivered. So yeah, most people would rather suffer in silence or leave. It's just not worth the headache then or later when a GM comes knocking. I'm not saying that the person you responded is telling the truth, or that they aren't. But I can see how things might play out a certain way. However, if they have these sort of issues regularly then it might be time for some self reflection. I haven't seen anything that gives me that impression though, at least not yet. Do I get some unskilled healers every now and then? Yeah, but very rarely will it amount to anything more than "good lord, I can't believe we survived that pull". In my opinion, such situations aren't quite as common as people think. The people one gets grouped with through the DF will always be random, so anything can happen.

[Doozer]

Pick your poison: either you're a doormat tank who still comes here to lash out at healers because you decide not to act when it's important, or you're a bad tank making up excuses and stories for laughs. I know the playerbase is terrible but no tank has this many incidents with healers and still keeps telling it's always their fault.

Uh, I think the "make personal attacks against someone based on a brief anecdote about their time in a dungeon" thread is somewhere else. I'm sure it's still going, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it or any of its offshoots.

You can disagree with someone or disapprove of their actions without getting that aggressive, you know that right?

[kelevra13]

I usually die multiple times due to lag in copied factory. Today, since there was no lag, I only died once (the first boss' ball dropping move).

Also, joined a party in progress in the burn where 62mins have elapsed, and they were in the final boss. I guess the guy that left was the problem since the other three players were pretty okay, and we beat it w/o wiping.

On another note, kept dying in anamnesis anyder due to forgetting all three of the bosses' mechanics. XD

[LaughingBanana]

Hmm, quite a few times already running dungeons with me as Healer with Tanks not using their mitigation skills at all... is this the new hotness for people to do? hahaha.

It certainly is weird...... not just once or twice, maybe around 4-5 times happening already? Sprouts and people with mentor crowns too.... hhmmmm.

[Cheremia]

Puppets bunker
Me on WHM...
See in the corner of my eye that the BLM casted flare
So i asked if they use flare instead of Despair
No response
I watched and saw... flare, flare, transpose

So i mentioned it
No response

Then i mentioned that they should spam F4.
No response

They jumped off, waited full restimer, returned and then left.

I record almost every raid etc for myself and after further inspection, they ONLY used aoe. And did nothing in between for about 5 to 10 seconds

I dont care about how high your dps is or whatever but if you aoe 1 boss( and singletarget multiple ads) then its not „different playstyle“ to me.

[TitaniumVulpes]

With all this tank and healer arguing, I wanna share some Old Tales from way back that still stick with me.

Back when I was a fresh-faced level 30 SCH, I got Haukke Manor in my leveling roulette, and boy was I nervous. At first, the tank was doing small pulls (although I suppose it's a bit hard to do big ones with all those locked doors). But then after the first boss, I guess he saw something in me, 'cause he did the basement section in one big pull (aside from the final locked cell)! I felt so proud that I was able to heal through it, even though looking back I'm sure it was probably pretty physick-spammy. It was a huge boost of confidence and I'll always be thankful to that tank for that one silly little Haukke run.

Then, a couple weeks and over 30 levels later, I get Bardam's Mettle. Hoh boy. This was early SB and I'd heard the tales of what a pain that place was to heal. But it started off really good! Got through the first boss with no deaths. Then, in that section right before the second "boss", the tank did a bigger pull, I couldn't heal fast enough, and we ended up wiping. I was mortified, and apologised for being undergeared (I was still lazily in all upgraded Shire). The tank points out he's also still in all Shire! We all share a laugh, he pulls a bit smaller, and as soon as we got out I promptly upgraded my gear (and I'm sure the tank did as well). That run humbled me, and ever since I try to always be mindful of the tank's health and how fast it's dropping, and try to keep them above 30% lest I be at the mercy of the dreaded Server Tick. If I had a dollar for every dead body I've lustrated...

[SturmChurro]

Yeah, nah. Left Eden Iconoclasm. Most of the party had no idea what they were doing, including both tanks, and the other healer who wasn't healing the tank - I would have had to use cure 2 if the paladin wasn't just healing themselves.

I am gonna be honest, when I saw the Red Mage DC, I was hoping I could initiate a kick or something.. just wanted them outta there, so I wouldn't have to eat a penalty, and I could queue for something else. No avail though, no way am I doing a teaching run, where we have to teach everyone the mechanics, at 3 am. Like, nah. Sorry, I should emphasize, a teaching run for worthless content at 3am. I'll admit I was tired and got hit a couple times, but when the tank is killing the party with the laser beam, killing DPS, and both tanks dying from mechanics, and my co-healer being a paladin, like nah.

The actual green healer (not the blue one) would aoe heal, just would never heal the tank.

Man, it's like, for one, I hate iconoclasm, if the party doesn't know what they are doing this Eden raid is a nightmare. I have to be at the top of my game paying attention to these mechanics, when I'll just be honest, I don't want to. Like I said, worthless content. Anyway, if I make one mistake and die, the whole party wipes, because the other healer is always dead, and the tanks are always dead, and the red mage is always dead, or dced. It's like come.. on... I raise them constantly, but the ONE time I mess up, it's a wipe. Give me a break. Then after two wipes people now start asking for mechanics, so we gotta sit there for a whole session talking about this and that, like nah. I'm good.. seriously. Yeah, yeah, I should have been paying more attention and I could have solo healed that trash, or put in more effort, yada yada.. I just hope they find a healer with more patience than me, that will pocket heal that tank, because I wouldn't sit there and cast cure 2 with all my heals down, just because the other healer won't do anything.

And I'm talking like first wipe was because I had to start hardcast raising the tanks, because the healer was dead, and they were both dead, apparently the rdm was dead at that point as well I guess. I gambled with the mechanic and lost, thinking I could get a rez off. Second wipe, I did get hit by a mechanic and died, but again, both tanks, and healer, and rdm was dead or dced. For context. Hopefully my timer is up.

[kelevra13]

Sorry if my tales are mostly of me not dying or not dying too much. It's just an accomplishment for me if I don't die in alliance raids that aren't crystal tower.
With that being said, I've died significantly less times in puppet's bunker today as a DNC. I've died thrice today compared to one death in every boss when using AST (I die multiple times in each boss). While I love AST, I think DNC is better suited for a panicky player such as myself. Ever since I got DNC to 80, I've been enjoying instances more. My other mains are BLM and PLD, but BLM is not fun when you have to be really mobile most of the time. I suck at tanks.