Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Gemina]

"Can I be in your guy's alliance?"

I don't think I've ever had so many incompetent players all in one group before. Just all kinds of dumb throughout an entire instance of LoTA. But I literally asked that of another alliance when a teleport after an unnecessary KO into a sealed arena put me in a different alliance against the Atomos. It was the only time I was happy in there, and as I watched my alliance slowly.... ever so slowly burn down their Atomos; I dreaded having to regroup with them as I watched the invul ring on the Atomos of the alliance their pad was linked to flash on and off. Over and over and over again. The Iron Giants didn't show up though, so I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.

What was weird was I was expecting at least half of them to eat dust when Behemoth casted Meteor, but they all survived. I also thought I would have to rescue at least one of them for Ancient Flare, but nope. Just a really weird group. Late night LoTA runs are like red eye flights. Zombification everywhere.

[Cincierta]

*sigh* I just got out of a leveling roulette that threw me into the Vault as BLM.

Rest of party comp was PLD, WHM, and SAM.

The PLD:
-Only used Rampart as their cooldown, nothing else.
-Came in wearing mostly ironworks gear and a few pieces of what looked like lvl 50-55 accessories.
-Did not bother with mechanics, making them terribly squishy.
-Never used Goring Blade or Divine Veil.

The SAM:
-Came in wearing the lvl 50 sam gear you get upon unlocking the class plus maybe 2 or 3 55 pieces of gear just to get into the vault.
-Would just spam AoEs, but ignore mechanics.
-Ignoring mechanics made him stupidly squishy.

The WHM:
-Was an obvious booster, as they were doing nothing but casting Stone, putting single Regens on the party, spamming Cure 1 and Cure 2 when freecure was up, no Holy/Assize/Asylum/lilies/Benediction. Yes, I saw Freecure practically plastered to their HUD.
-Had absolutely no idea what Esuna was.
-Had absolutely no idea what Medica II was.

First set of trash up to the first boss aggro was everywhere. Everyone was tanking until the PLD got their head on straight and actually used their aoe combo to grab aggro...to which they only used once per pull. Hi Manaward, you're my best friend for this run.

First boss the SAM got targeted with Holy Shield Bash, and was immediately one-shot. The same SAM, once he got up, proceeded to eat bleed dots from the spheres along with the PLD and WHM. We down him and move on. SAM relevant loot drops, SAM passes on it. *sigh*

Hallway up to the elevator the PLD stutter pulls, I sigh internally again. We get through the elevator mobs only for the PLD to do the big boi pull, and unfortunately for him the healer was almost too far behind. Dat 20 hp and you still don't realize you have HG? Or the WHM not realizing she had lilies and Bene? Nope, Cure 1 spam.

Second boss wasn't much better. Because the lolSAM was flailing about with a tickler of a weapon, and was just doing piddly damage. He also ate a couple floor aoes to the face before eating a vul stack, which immediately got him killed. He sat there for a good 30 seconds since our WHM was now panic-casting Cure. Just. F*cking. Cure 1. Before she found her Raise button. Hardcasting. Raise. I died a little more on the inside.

PLD ate it after a few vul stacks because lol what are cooldowns besides Rampart? Then right afterwards the WHM started eating damage, and Ser Bull Boi was sitting at a few % left. I burn him down as the SAM died again, and the WHM died after getting the tank back up. That almost got too spicy. I was tempted to leave at this point and just eat the penalty, but then again staying to watch this train wreck of a party was too good to pass up.

Trash up to the last boss was also a bit painful to watch. Still no holy/assize from the WHM, for some reason the SAM went full single-target everything once we transitioned to the elevator, and the tank was still not using any of his other cooldowns. Several more near deaths and SAM having their eyebrows singed by standing in the Dark Fire aoe, along with the last spawns later, we're finally at the last boss, Ser Heatmeiser.

Out of habit, I remind the party to run away from the other chained person if you're chained, and thank god I did. It actually made the SAM pay attention to ONE MECHANIC. JUST ONE. Oh, here come the chess knights...and he ate more bleed and slow. *sigh*

Did you know that if you don't dps Heatmeiser down to his set % fast enough, he repeats mechanics before transition? If not, now you know. I saw 3 chains go out because our SAM and WHM just were not contributing much dps at all, and sadly I don't get Fire 4 at 58. *cries trying to reach for Triplecast* Intermission phase the whm actually contributes dps but for some reason decides to put single-target regens on everyone.

Rest of the fight goes as well as one would expect a train wreck. I'm the only one dodging and avoiding damage while trying to keep it up, the WHM continues to panic-cast Cure 1 and Cure 2, SAM finally decides to use LB at 2%. The WHM apologized for all the deaths, and I told her it was fine.

0 comms. My back hurts.

[Yue_Amariyo]

I get this is a vent thread, but I am confused as to what is being vented here? By some standards not picking up thd mobs snd purposely letting someone die is far more "toxic" imo. They easily could have pulled the mobs off the rdm after the pull explained theif position and at that point if the rdm did not leave then they could have either voted to remove them or something.

I get they tried to ssy something before hand, but what gets me if they hsd time to convey thst the rdm will tank that and he will not get healed. They hsd the time to get the mobs off the rdm.

This petty going to teach them a lesson people try to justify is silly.

If the meta is tank pulls the mobs, only tank should be pulling mobs. Anyone else pulling mobs is declaring themselves the tank, and should reap the consequences.

from what i gather the healer was trying to type that the pulls will be on the small side as they tried to pull more in a previous run and the tank ate eat like it was going out of fashion. The tank in question barely tanks and the healer in question was on their second dungeon as an ast and not used to the SHB changes to healer/ast.

they was trying to communicate that but rdm didnt care and ran off. Left in a huff.

[Kanitezz]

I get this is a vent thread, but I am confused as to what is being vented here? By some standards not picking up thd mobs snd purposely letting someone die is far more "toxic" imo. They easily could have pulled the mobs off the rdm after the pull explained theif position and at that point if the rdm did not leave then they could have either voted to remove them or something.

I get they tried to ssy something before hand, but what gets me if they hsd time to convey thst the rdm will tank that and he will not get healed. They hsd the time to get the mobs off the rdm.

This petty going to teach them a lesson people try to justify is silly.

I agree with you. I prefer to just take the mobs off of them. Letting them die wastes my own time because as long as they're alive, the mobs will die quicker. And the quicker the mobs die, the quicker I can get away from these teammates I don't like.

[Vahlnir]

I agree with you. I prefer to just take the mobs off of them. Letting them die wastes my own time because as long as their alive, the mobs will die quicker. And the quicker the mobs die, the quicker I can get the away from these teammates I don't like.

Yep, exactly. That's why I may give them a little bit of a scare by letting the mobs eat their face for a few seconds. Anything beyond that wastes everyone's time.

[Awha]

If the meta is tank pulls the mobs, only tank should be pulling mobs. Anyone else pulling mobs is declaring themselves the tank, and should reap the consequences.

from what i gather the healer was trying to type that the pulls will be on the small side as they tried to pull more in a previous run and the tank ate eat like it was going out of fashion. The tank in question barely tanks and the healer in question was on their second dungeon as an ast and not used to the SHB changes to healer/ast.

they was trying to communicate that but rdm didnt care and ran off. Left in a huff.

Idk something seems off, but I was not present and neither were you so we have to go by the info present. That said even if the RDM bolted off and even if the tank and healer were not comfortable they easily could have just snagged the mobs off the rdm and then explained after the pull why they are not comfortable with larger pulls.

Letting someone die esp when they are like you can tank it and tge healer will not heal ya. That seems like a petty move all around, sure the rdm running off ahead was also petty. Though I am of the mindset we can only control our own actions. What they did was just if not morr petty cause the rdm prop did not even need the tank to even tank the mobs a few heals might have been enough to keep them alive if the ninja also tried to help.

Though as said agree to disagree i get tank snd healers hsve more weight to throw around in groups. Esp when the tank and healer queue together. That said the amount of tank pulling related posts has seem to hsve gone up. Content lul and the mog tome steez must be making this a larger issue.

[Kuroka]

*sigh* I just got out of a leveling roulette that threw me into the Vault as BLM.

Rest of party comp was PLD, WHM, and SAM.

How. How on earth get such ppl that far... we REALLY need a few solo instances blocking such ppl... the short timeframe after a nidhogg, tsukoyomi or shinryu were always so nice...


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I did some stuff on my twink... the longes run of Snowcloak(?) were everything died super slow... while everyone had okish gear... AND we even wiped 6 times on Fenrir as the healer/dps did not manage to dogde at all...

[Cincierta]

How. How on earth get such ppl that far... we REALLY need a few solo instances blocking such ppl... the short timeframe after a nidhogg, tsukoyomi or shinryu were always so nice...


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I did some stuff on my twink... the longes run of Snowcloak(?) were everything died super slow... while everyone had okish gear... AND we even wiped 6 times on Fenrir as the healer/dps did not manage to dogde at all...

What I'd like the game to do is emphasize a basic competence check every so often. You know, check your tooltips, check your gear compared to your level ("Your gear level for your current level is low, go to a xyz npc to buy an upgrade!"), remove the Freecure newb trap, encourage usage of skills and dodging the bad, that sort of thing. But that's asking too much of SE because smol Indie company.

[KaleShibata]

I was hoping for some really nice atrocities from the DF not another pull discussion. We had them so many times for past weeks in various threads, it's getting old.
I guess it's time to queue solo again just so I can fill the pages. I'd even be willing to spam Shiva normal because that's where I tend to spent a good 30-40min. People just can't keep their feet still when the floor is covered with ice. Maybe even jinx it with a nice "Time for a quick roulette". Famous last words and all that.

I could point out an eden 6 normal run i had last week where our white mage legitimately ate EVERY OTHER aoe mechanic. rez immunity just wasn't enough. even when i covered them as paladin. dead because they ran the wrong way from me and broke the cover chain. and this was on the SECOND pull. we failed the first one because we got unlucky and the whm and their cohealer both ate it along with our pocket red mage...after a couple deaths on his end.

i should note the red mages mp on the second pull was literally the 'let me pick you up again' meter. i was almost in hysterics laughing because what it must have looked like to this guy was: Fade out, fade in. next roomwide. rez immunity over, instantly dead again. rinse repeat. manage to make it away. next group mechanic, standing in the wrong spot...dead again.

at one point a clemency i did was legitimately the only reason they lived. (server ticks didn't fuck him on it. he had less hp left than clemency healed him for...) I'd like to point out the whm did not in fact suck. its just he became a victim of not knowing the fight/ trap resing him constantly. I actually legitimately felt bad.

[Yue_Amariyo]

Idk something seems off, but I was not present and neither were you so we have to go by the info present. That said even if the RDM bolted off and even if the tank and healer were not comfortable they easily could have just snagged the mobs off the rdm and then explained after the pull why they are not comfortable with larger pulls.

Letting someone die esp when they are like you can tank it and tge healer will not heal ya. That seems like a petty move all around, sure the rdm running off ahead was also petty. Though I am of the mindset we can only control our own actions. What they did was just if not morr petty cause the rdm prop did not even need the tank to even tank the mobs a few heals might have been enough to keep them alive if the ninja also tried to help.

Though as said agree to disagree i get tank snd healers hsve more weight to throw around in groups. Esp when the tank and healer queue together. That said the amount of tank pulling related posts has seem to hsve gone up. Content lul and the mog tome steez must be making this a larger issue.

i saw the footage myself and that is pretty much what happen. Rdm ran off screen, healer was trying to type to them not to but pulled and died before she finished. Ninja didnt help either. that said, none of what the tank/ healer did was petty. They both knew how much they can handle. RDm took it upon themselves to deviate from their role. Actions have consequences. If you go against the parties wishes that is on you. Simply put do not pull mobs you are unable to handle, that goes for everyone in the group. Large pulling is a group effort, not something you can force.

I just was helping a friend vent a healers frustration as she didnt let them die intentional, but was stuck in the text box trying to explain to thr group she is not a very good healer.

you gotta stop assuming pulling and dieing at ppl rfusng to help is mpk. It isnt, mpk is forcing mobs on others intentionally to kill them. It isnt rude or petty to not put up with someones bs. Either fall in line, or eat dirt. rdm made their choice, they went against the groups ability and paid the price.