Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Snowthefirst]

I have a pair of stories, both from my current leveling of WHM.

The first is more of an amusing anecdote. Roulette put me in Akh Afah Amphitheatre(Hard), and I was waiting for the people that had to view the cutscene to finish. However, I talked with the party about how much I like Shiva, and that triggered half the party to also sing Shiva/Iceheart's praises. The other half of the party jokingly chastised us for being Shiva simps. XD

Roulette next put me at "Keeper of the Lake", and the start of the run was smooth... until we ran into the Einhander boss. Keeping track of what bomb canisters were where ended up being our undoing for a couple of wipes. Thankfully, one of the DPS being a Summoner was a help when a explosion took me out, because they could bring me back. The Gunship wasn't as much of an issue, which left Migardsormar. The Tank did warn everyone of which Adds to take out when, so we didn't wipe. But it certainly came close, and I came low on MP a few times because of needing to resurrect a few times.

[Yue_Amariyo]

Don't read out-dated stuff from past expansions maybe

You're asking for proof for a year old change. It's even on the in-game tooltip: "while gaining additional enmity".

still should source your claims. would be nice to see when the change happen.

[Yue_Amariyo]

Even without the math that others have done to back it up, it's easy enough to test. Get another player or your chocobo to hit something and have aggro, then use Provoke without any follow-up abilities (not even auto-attack). Try it with and without tank stance on. You absolutely gain a lead that's higher than a simple +1 on enmity - if it worked that way, the very next action from the other player or your chocobo would always grab aggro back, even if it was just an auto-attack. Instead, it will take either a powerful enough attack or multiple smaller attacks to catch back up if you are doing nothing at all - and that's because it gives you additional enmity when used.

Worth noting that it applies this additional enmity even when used to pull (not that you'll need it for pulls, but can be useful for pesky adds that sneak past your AoE due to unlucky server ticks, in the way Shield Lob/Tomahawk/etc are, with the added bonus of a bit more range) - again testing with a Chocobo using it as a first hit and no other action leads to either it taking 6-7 hits to steal it from me with no tank stance, or me holding it the entire time with tank stance. In comparison, hitting it once with an auto-attack without tank stance, it takes 1-2 hits for my Chocobo to steal aggro, and takes around 4-5 with tank stance after smacking the mob with an auto-attack and doing nothing else.

ahh ok thank you for better explaining it.

[Lammas]

still should source your claims. would be nice to see when the change happen.

It was changed when Shadowbringers dropped. 5.0 early access was exactly one year ago. Anything or anyone saying provoke is top aggro + 1 is outdated by at least that much and probably contains other outdated stuff too.

The change used to be listed on the official job guide for some time but that has long since been updated to only list the current effect.

Beyond that you'll just have to take my word for it because, on the threat of sounding a bit rude, I'm not going to google it for you. You could probably find some video talking about shadowbringer skill changes if you want to.

[TeraRamis]

I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that this community is a turd masquerading as an evolved sanctuary - the self righteousness has become insufferable. Today, I happened to criticize the DPS in our Prae run for taking an astonishing 5 minutes to down Ultima Weapon. Prae is already a nails-on-chalkboard experience to begin with - having it take exceptionally longer than necessary is nauseating. But the moment someone in FFXIV says something even remotely critical, out comes the inevitable "LOL, LOOK AT THE TRYHARD TRYING TO SPEEDRUN PRAE."

Do people not understand how obnoxious it is to revel in incompetence? Nobody was suggesting speed running - but you can kill Ultima Weapon in like 60 seconds or less. 5 minutes is so extreme that it borders on the bizarre - like "I need to stop and examine what the hell is going on here that's so wrong" bad. But do people pick it up? No - it's an invitation for twits to crawl out of the woodwork and hump each other while defending ineptitude. How DARE anyone expect folks to not go AFK, or slap the boss with auto attack while duo-windowing pornhub.

Honestly, I'm starting to get burned on FFXIV. WoW possesses the most insulting, jarringly wretched community I've ever seen... but at least you don't see a lot of dog piling over inability like you do here.

[Quintessa]

I personally haven't encountered a lot of moronicness but from reading stuff here and chat logs at other ffxiv sites, it appears that as you say, nothing is said until criticism is dished out, adding to that, giving advice, or just pointing something out.. there's loose cannons playing with triggers that are easy to step on.

Honestly, I wish they would. I can put Aurora on another party's tank, but I can't shirk them whatsoever and sometimes I'd really like to be able to.

Had a... I think it was either Rabanastre or Ridorana, but we had a designated 'MT' who was doing quite well at their job and I usually try not to MT Alliance raids unless the other tanks are just that dang bad (mostly because I hate the stupid aggro wars everyone wants to get into). However the third tank kept trying to steal aggro off and on for bosses, and then would run the boss around in circles or spin it out of control. I ended up having to try helping the MT out by using up my provoke after Mister Big Man stole it off them (they'd wait until the MT had used up their own provoke before trying to voke off them, if they weren't stealing aggro via sitting in tank stance spamming combos), pull the boss back into position, then turn off my stance to let the MT take it back.

The MT picked up what I was doing the second time around, so they were prepared for it, but even with me and the MT working together to keep the boss in its proper place and them at the top, the process still would have been a lot easier to do if I could have Shirk'd him. Even turning off my stance, I'd still keep aggro for a good few seconds just from doing my regular No Mercy combo.

That's how it goes for me and other tanks that I've observed.

I've stopped being eager to main tank 8/24 man things. I have almost no experience because of tanks yanking the boss/adds right from under me. Yesterday in the Copied Factory we were just waiting to see who was going to go first. On the first time this happened with the first boss it was a good 2 minutes before one of the DPS got tired of waiting. He's getting whooped and this triggers my provoke finger but I just know if I do it, I'm gonna lose it >_>, well the DRK took it, and the fun began between him and the other GNB.

::skips to 9s::

TANK ADDS. DRK dies to the NE add, and I'm tanking the SW ADD. Other damn GNB is trying to take SW ADD from me and does so right after I take the tank buster. Look man why you didn't run over there to the NE ADD. I was here way before you scuttled your butt on over here. Anyway, popped sprint and ran over the NE ADD, though not before it disintegrated party A and half of B.

To me, most tanks in raids are like this: #BackTheHellOffScrubThisIsMyRaid

::throws hands up::

[Yue_Amariyo]

It was changed when Shadowbringers dropped. 5.0 early access was exactly one year ago. Anything or anyone saying provoke is top aggro + 1 is outdated by at least that much and probably contains other outdated stuff too.

The change used to be listed on the official job guide for some time but that has long since been updated to only list the current effect.

Beyond that you'll just have to take my word for it because, on the threat of sounding a bit rude, I'm not going to google it for you. You could probably find some video talking about shadowbringer skill changes if you want to.

I see, still a link is good. I do not take peoples word for it because people can troll, or not understand a function and give misinfo. Im assuming it would be in patch notes? sucks my net has been spotty on my pc, or i would look up videos, but what i said is what i googled. Which is why i asked for a scource. a lot of websites do not keep up to date well it seems.

[Mhaeric]

I see, still a link is good. I do not take peoples word for it because people can troll, or not understand a function and give misinfo. Im assuming it would be in patch notes? sucks my net has been spotty on my pc, or i would look up videos, but what i said is what i googled. Which is why i asked for a scource. a lot of websites do not keep up to date well it seems.

It is on the tooltip. How much more do you want?

[Quintessa]

[Endeleon]

I see, still a link is good. I do not take peoples word for it because people can troll, or not understand a function and give misinfo. Im assuming it would be in patch notes? sucks my net has been spotty on my pc, or i would look up videos, but what i said is what i googled. Which is why i asked for a scource. a lot of websites do not keep up to date well it seems.

Honestly, you seem more like the troll here...