Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Rasikko]

^ you can tell people generally are expecting big pulls if they keep going after you stop and just stand there like wtf just happened. In that situation you can resume course if you like, usually they just run back and do their thing.

Edit: I donno why is it that, when I jump on any other job, everyone has their crap together for the most part, but when I'm on RDM, I'm either having to be both DPS, or all 5....

[Coletergeist]

Not in the slightest. All you have to do is hit the mobs with an AoE and guess what? You now have hate. The very fact that people are in this thread right now saying "if you do then I'm not taking the mobs off you" demonstrates how trivial it would be to get hate back and yet they threaten not to anyway.

Why? Because of ego. Nothing more. I play a tank too you know and if someone else has hate when I get to the mobs oh well just hit them with my AoE and keep moving. Problem solved.

None of this is hard to do.

HERE YOU GO SOME GOLD WATCH AND LEARN; I THINK I FOUND YOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyOj_QD4a4

[Saefinn]

Ya know, I'm new to this game in general, and VERY new to *wanting* to be a tank...but always disheartened to do so because of people with this mindset. I want to try to be a good tank (I want to be a Dark Knight because their aesthetic matches what I'm looking for), but LEARN whilst doing so, without being pushed down and being told I suck, or even feel like I suck at doing something. This sort of thinking dissuades those of us like me that simply just want to have a fun time playing a game as it's intended...a game to play and have fun.

Also, yeah...you're absolutely right, this is a "team" game! Good to know you know that!

If not something you've done before or much of, it can be a bit daunting. I don't understand the "gitgud" mentality, because one does not simply "gitgud" over night. And chances are, you will screw up, especially if learning to tank or heal, because it's all a part of learning. I think having the attitude that you want to learn from those mistakes, listen to advice that may help you and improve is a good mentality to have and the ability to joke about mistakes you make too. Case in point, I pulled earlier in a roulette and forgot tank stance, the most simple and most basic and rudimentary thing about tanking, have tank stance on and I've played this game for years and am confident tanking, healing and DPSing. So I just laughed about it to the party I was with.

You will sometimes come across people with poor attitudes to newer or less experienced players, fortunately, they are the minority - a few pages back you'll see my post where I was befuddled being told the healers were terrible when me and a friend were healing...although it was a smooth run and nothing bad happened. So even experienced players get it...I guess there's just no pleasing some people.

Most of the time I find people are positive about people who're trying and have a good attitude, even if they screw up. I think most recognise that people have to start somewhere. And having more people who can fill tank or healer slots means better queues, so why put off people from tanking? Especially if they're willing to improve and be more efficient?

But I guess advice for starting out, start small. Even if you're starting with DRK and therefore starting at level 30, do the Hall of the Novice stuff and maybe queue for Sastasha. This game is good at the low end dungeons for easing people into their roles. Sastasha will give you very few skills to focus on and losing aggro won't get anybody killed.. Heck, guildhests are also a good place for it, but I don't even know if people do them anymore. But I always though of them as mini-dungeons to teach certain set ups/mechanics back when I started. And build your confidence with your ARR dungeon list, because I feel the level 1-50 journey was originally designed to help people learn their roles by gradually increasing the difficulty.

[AxHell]

So I had a Shisui run on my PLD. I got a WHM, a BLM and a MNK for teammates.

I quickly glance at the healer's gear and see they have full lvl 80 AF gear as well as the relic weapon, so I'm like "Neat I can do big pulls as I usally do." I probably should have asked but they didn't complain and were doing well so no problem here. BLM was doing his rotations and AOEs so no problem there either.

But then I started noticing the MNK who didn't seem to do any aoe on the pulls because things were dying slowly for my taste despite the BLM's presence. But I didn't mind it and just moved on with the dungeon.

Second boss comes and they just don't do any mechanics despite not being new. And right after a Seduce, they would just stand where I was tanking and take hits to the face. So I told them to move.
And then they died to the fire pillar aoe by still standing where they were. And finally they spoke:

"Waoh so you speak the same language as I do. Anyways I don't like tanks like you and I was planning on leaving.
-Leave then, I replied."

Then they left.

We got a SAM as replacement and mobs started dying way faster. Still I don't know what that was all about, if they wanted to do small pulls they had oh I dunno... tons of time to voice their opinions?

[AduroT]

As DPS I love big pulls. Getta do big AoE rotations and watch all the damage numbers flying up the screen.

As a Healer big pulls stress me out way more. Like it’s Usually fine, but I’ve way less experience as a Healer. Super glad that tank in Aery today only single pulled since that was like my first “real” dungeon playing Scholar.

As a Tank... I don’t have any Tank jobs yet.

[KaleShibata]

If not something you've done before or much of, it can be a bit daunting. I don't understand the "gitgud" mentality, because one does not simply "gitgud" over night. And chances are, you will screw up, especially if learning to tank or heal, because it's all a part of learning. I think having the attitude that you want to learn from those mistakes, listen to advice that may help you and improve is a good mentality to have and the ability to joke about mistakes you make too. Case in point, I pulled earlier in a roulette and forgot tank stance, the most simple and most basic and rudimentary thing about tanking, have tank stance on and I've played this game for years and am confident tanking, healing and DPSing. So I just laughed about it to the party I was with.

You will sometimes come across people with poor attitudes to newer or less experienced players, fortunately, they are the minority - a few pages back you'll see my post where I was befuddled being told the healers were terrible when me and a friend were healing...although it was a smooth run and nothing bad happened. So even experienced players get it...I guess there's just no pleasing some people.

Most of the time I find people are positive about people who're trying and have a good attitude, even if they screw up. I think most recognise that people have to start somewhere. And having more people who can fill tank or healer slots means better queues, so why put off people from tanking? Especially if they're willing to improve and be more efficient?

adding onto this:

i mean we can talk about my 75 dungeon run where everything was fine till the very last masspull and i had server ticks fuck me over on invincibility because i waited half a second too long to hit it (it went off, but server ticks work on a third of a second delay to apply buffs and such I've found out. most of the time the effect doesn't start until the first half second has passed.) and then on the followup i somehow forgot to turn my stance back on. had to do that midway into the pull because i hadn't realized i fat fingered it off at some point. pull went fine anyways. but i kinda got to laugh that shit off.

I want to point out I've run that on every class. every single capable one on their way to 80. i did two fuckups back to back. it happens. i often forget getting synced down disables stances summons and fairies. sometimes multiple times a week.

No one's going to be perfect at this game (and they make damn sure they don't bring their mistakes up again. i do a lot of the time.), so don't make people let you think every runs going to be this 12-14 min speed run all the time. aim for efficient tanking first. the less work your healer has to do for you the more work they can do elsewhere.

[LalafellDown]

Snip

"Waoh so you speak the same language as I do. Anyways I don't like tanks like you and I was planning on leaving.
-Leave then, I replied."

Then they left.

We got a SAM as replacement and mobs started dying way faster. Still I don't know what that was all about, if they wanted to do small pulls they had oh I dunno... tons of time to voice their opinions?

Narcissistic personality disorder. There are a lot of people who get triggered if their way isn’t met. Healers who refuse to heal or only heal. Tanks who get offended when others pull and let their team member die to make their point.

[Awha]

Some people really like to upsell the ranking role in terms of dungeons. I am sorry no matter what people say or how chaotic some try to make it getting and maintaining aggro even on headless chicken players and monsters is as simple and using one or two skills.

[KaleShibata]

Since everyone's made their stances on the matter clear enough lets stop having these brick wall discussions on role situational awareness and get back to something more enjoyable to talk about. like the fact i'm still going to determine just how pixel perfect my hitbox in an aoe island is. (if you've ever had to stand in one and pray you probably know the feeling.)

[RVallant]

As DPS I love big pulls. Getta do big AoE rotations and watch all the damage numbers flying up the screen.

As DPS, I don't care. I'll either AoE it or single target chop it.

What I'm really more concerned about is pacing. I have two buffs up with my opener, so I'd like the pacing to be that a tank will pull quickly enough that I can use my AoE to keep the buffs extended. Sometimes, this isn't possible because, eh, stuff happens. But quite often I have to do my opener again because for some reason the tank decides to have a rest, whilst everyone else is keen to keep going. And the problem is, they don't communicate why they're having a break or whatever, so I'm sat there watching my poor buffs drop off. ;_;

So yeah, big or small, I don't care just try to keep a steady pace.