Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Nononu]

Neverreap.

We wipe at like, 1% on the last boss, because the healer got immediately yeeted off the ledge when you're supposed to run in and hug snek before he does the push back.

We're doing fine, we're bringing the guy down without a healer.

All of a sudden BLM is dead and I'm like ??? This shouldn't happen, the paladin should be using clemency to keep us alive, it's not that hard.

I LB2 and get the boss down to 1%. I die. Still ???? because again... paladin? Clemency?

Paladin dies.

I almost have a conniption fit because as long as a paladin is alive in a dungeon 58+, there should almost never be a wipe.

Also telling someone they're "crazy" and something is a "non-issue" when you can't POSSIBLY know them or their situation, is the HIGHEST level of ignorance.

[MariaArvana]

Neverreap.

We wipe at like, 1% on the last boss, because the healer got immediately yeeted off the ledge when you're supposed to run in and hug snek before he does the push back.

We're doing fine, we're bringing the guy down without a healer.

All of a sudden BLM is dead and I'm like ??? This shouldn't happen, the paladin should be using clemency to keep us alive, it's not that hard.

I LB2 and get the boss down to 1%. I die. Still ???? because again... paladin? Clemency?

Paladin dies.

I almost have a conniption fit because as long as a paladin is alive in a dungeon 58+, there should almost never be a wipe.

Also telling someone they're "crazy" and something is a "non-issue" when you can't POSSIBLY know them or their situation, is the HIGHEST level of ignorance.

Counter argument: Before level 64 when PLD gets the divine magic mastery trait, Clemency costs 4000 MP instead of 2000 MP, on top of PLD not having Attonement to help supplement MP gain while doing damage, resulting in slower MP gain, or going fast blade -> riot blade constantly for MP, which it'd still take 8 GCDs to get enough MP for a single clemency, which during those GCDs damage is still going out, mechanics can happen, etc. They also don't have Req to buff their healing output by 50% either which can make a major difference in only needing to use 1 clemency vs 2.

Not to mention a PLD can still potentially be interrupted during Clemency's cast without the trait. PLD can still potentially carry a bossfight post 58 and pre 64, but it's much harder since it literally takes twice as long to generate the resources necessary to heal the party.

Unless the PLD wasn't using Clemency at all, that'd be another story. But if he was, then the above would explain why the party could still easily die pre 64 with a PLD.

[HyoMinPark]

HyoMinPark

So what you're saying is that I should heal as white mage from now on.

No? Heal as whatever you want to heal on. I’m just addressing that utilizing a controller on AST is far more clunky than it has ever been the past. Speaking as someone who played the job since 3.1/3.2 (and who has used a controller for the entirety of the ~4 years I’ve been playing), the opener for 5.0 AST is some of the most convoluted mess of double-weaving and Lightspeed reliance that I’ve ever seen—and any window where Divination and Sleeve Draw are both up are simply nightmares in Full Parties where you have to dish out as many cards as possible during a buff window to optimally make as much use out of your toolkit as you are able. Though I’ve set up macros for Play, I find it a tad silly that I have to deal with 4~8 macros to avoid the D-pad gymnastics involved with the new card system when the old one was far smoother.

None of this is to say that you should only heal as a WHM. I have no idea where you even got that inference from.

[Nononu]

Counter argument: Before level 64 when PLD gets the divine magic mastery trait, Clemency costs 4000 MP instead of 2000 MP, on top of PLD not having Attonement to help supplement MP gain while doing damage, resulting in slower MP gain, or going fast blade -> riot blade constantly for MP, which it'd still take 8 GCDs to get enough MP for a single clemency, which during those GCDs damage is still going out, mechanics can happen, etc. They also don't have Req to buff their healing output by 50% either which can make a major difference in only needing to use 1 clemency vs 2.

Not to mention a PLD can still potentially be interrupted during Clemency's cast without the trait. PLD can still potentially carry a bossfight post 58 and pre 64, but it's much harder since it literally takes twice as long to generate the resources necessary to heal the party.

Yeah no. We had the boss down to -1. Percent-. I would have needed to be healed -once-. With anything. Unfortunately, I had already used Second Wind and Bloodbath.

The paladin didn't even need to heal the DPS. He needed to cast one heal. On himself. That would have worked. He needed to just keep himself up long enough to hit the stupid thing with like, one combo and we would have walked out without a wipe.

There's no counter argument. The paladin should have used clemency. He didn't need the MP when the boss was at 1%. He didn't need his massive tank DPS gains.

He needed to heal SOMEONE who could do damage and end it, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter since none of the above supposed "counter argument" has any point to what actually happened.

[MariaArvana]

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I addressed that in my edit. Was under the assumption the PLD was using -some- clemency already in that situation, not zero, but then I remembered how little damage that boss does unless you go melding your hitbox with his during the wind sprite section.
Though my point does stand in regards to your '58+ sentence' that post 58, you should reasonably expect a potential wipe if your healer kicks it early enough and its not 64+ content, since PLD's healing ability is severely nerfed compared to post 64.

[Hash_Browns]

Neverreap.

We wipe at like, 1% on the last boss, because the healer got immediately yeeted off the ledge when you're supposed to run in and hug snek before he does the push back.

We're doing fine, we're bringing the guy down without a healer.

All of a sudden BLM is dead and I'm like ??? This shouldn't happen, the paladin should be using clemency to keep us alive, it's not that hard.

I LB2 and get the boss down to 1%. I die. Still ???? because again... paladin? Clemency?

Paladin dies.

I almost have a conniption fit because as long as a paladin is alive in a dungeon 58+, there should almost never be a wipe.

Also telling someone they're "crazy" and something is a "non-issue" when you can't POSSIBLY know them or their situation, is the HIGHEST level of ignorance.

I would like to point out that while it has been discussed that PLD can use Clemency to heal while the healer is DPSing, those situations are so few and far between that Clemency is usually in a situation like Piercing Talon for DRG - it gets "Yeeted" off the hotbar, as it's a waste.

See the real problem here is that your healer died, not that the PLD wasn't healing you.

[RyuSaarva]

Yeah no. We had the boss down to -1. Percent-. I would have needed to be healed -once-. With anything. Unfortunately, I had already used Second Wind and Bloodbath.

The paladin didn't even need to heal the DPS. He needed to cast one heal. On himself. That would have worked. He needed to just keep himself up long enough to hit the stupid thing with like, one combo and we would have walked out without a wipe.

There's no counter argument. The paladin should have used clemency. He didn't need the MP when the boss was at 1%. He didn't need his massive tank DPS gains.

He needed to heal SOMEONE who could do damage and end it, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter since none of the above supposed "counter argument" has any point to what actually happened.

thats why I have healing potions.

[Mesarthim]

Item level requirements can't come soon enough, for the love of Thal's balls.

Bardam on Paladin (roulette) and the first thing I see is... a 19k hp healer. Think I counted at least 2 ilvl 200 left side pieces, one Sohm Al accessory (ilvl 130) and a sub ilvl 40 ring. Suffice to say if I double pulled I'd have died because...

1. I'm nearly dying to single pulls and I'm rotating my cooldowns as best I can.
2. After the second "boss" I pulled two butterflies along with the fat turtle thing for 3 enemies. However after this pack I pick up the next to last 3-enemy pack and I get down to as low as 2k before I have to pop hallowed.
3. Pretty sure I'm stronger than both of the dps individually. Things weren't exactly melting.

Strangely no one died but the healer almost did for standing on me, the tank, during the final boss. Dropped to 1k HP from a tankbuster. I also had to cover them because they did not turn around for the eye mechanic the first time around. Not sure if they could even handle double pulls since they ended single packs with 1-3k MP.

Gear. Your. Jobs.

[Omymy]

I had a run in akademia where WHM was probably doing something else irl, because we wiped 2 times on first pull.
I left the duty after this, no way i am going to tank for a healer who is not even trying.
His gear was 440-450 btw and the heals were very delayed.

You cant die in the first pull if you use yourd CDS with any tanks. They all have self-healing enough to make it even with the healer afk.

Git gud tho.

[Lilseph]

Git gud tho.

Hey, weren't you the guy that laughed at me for saying that non-raiders can be toxic too? I'd suggest you to stop being so antagonistic. You're proving my point.

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Story:

So, the other day I was leveling SAM and queued up for The Qitana Ravel with a FC buddy deeps. We zone in and get a returner healer and a DRK. A little birdie told me that their DPS was super low for this level so I checked his gear. That's it: An ilvl 290 weapon. The sword you get from your chest upon completing your DRK quest... in Stormblood. So I literally told him "Hey, xxx, I suggest you to change your weapon, it's quite outdated for this content", then he replies to me "I mean... yeah?". If you know this... then... do it? Heck, he can even get a vendor weapon and it will be automatically better than what he's using.

I don't get these people.