Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[LDR]

@Saito

I've had that a couple of times back before 3.2 [I havent run old 60 dungs since] [so bare in mind this was i205 at best probably]

50/50 on if it works, never succeed on WHM, i found AST had the easiest time of it and SCH can do it provided you focus.

Naturally the tanks skill will also dictate sucess, along with the overall AoE DPS, a single meele DPS unfortunately hampers chances; not that their AoE is bad or anything but on that size of overpull you ideally want 2 caster or at least BRD singing + caster as its a time/vs/MP+CD critical pull.

I could probably do it on WHM now but i think it would require a tad practise on skill rotation and when to use abilities; Idk where to suggest begining to approach it however.
SCH requires full Aether stacks pre-pull and Aetherflow off CD, you WILL need those 6; plus Eos PLACED -cant stress how important it is to have Eos stationary. ignore Soil, your better off using the stack on an Indom after the double Fuore or w/e it is, and you need every lustate possible besides that. its been a while but iirc its better to use Dawn after the double Fuore to combat the um, naga things purple splooge AoE. also iirc dont be afraid to swift-ermergency-succor the second round of Fuore since i think indom will still be on CD. still 50/50 with prep tho.
DiAST semi-laughs at the pull. unprepared its a bit hairy. prepared its amazing. Enhanced Bole > A.bene > A.Helios > CU > CO to stun Fuore > TD tank. coupled with the tanks CD's you basically get near bene levels of regen ticks couple with like a minute of huge damage reduction. and youve still got Lightspeed and Synasty available for when it runs out.


p.s ive never run pre-made, ive only experienced this in DF on tanks who dont warn me for jack
fun time
still
i did it

[SaitoHikari]

From my understanding this is a rather common pull amongst pre-made groups. I wouldn't pull it in a DF group unless the healer told me otherwise though.

I've seen some variations of it before actually (notably kill first group, THEN pull everything else) and those worked fine. Would certainly require better communication for the mass large pull though. I'm guessing that I should have been spamming Holy instead of trying to mass heal the tank, because the tank was going to pop Living Dead anyway. Even then, everything was at half HP when everyone fell. Holy spamming + Assize probably wouldn't have covered the rest in time.

It was also DRK/WHM/NIN/BRD setup.

[alimdia]

Maybe if there was a caster LB available with 2 smns, which is rare at that point if the dps is good (has to be good to attempt to do such a huge pull)
and everything died before holy stuns wear off.

I've never tried it myself.


Also might be harder now due to ilvl sync

[ZhoRa13]

Second rule of this game is that DPS (and tanks too) will always try and blame the healer when they screw mechanics up and get themselves killed.

Isn't that true for almost every MMORPG? x) 3rd rule being the DPS always blame the tank for "not keeping aggro"

[Selli]

3rd rule being the DPS always blame the tank for "not keeping aggro"

But muh stacks. :c

[Pells]

A rather odd question.

Has anyone ever had a tank in Fractal attempt to pull EVERYTHING after the first boss all the way to the second boss? Because that's what just happened to me, and now I'm wondering if such a pull is actually possible...

I've seen it, but it requires the entire party to be aware of the pull. The storage tanks on the way to the manticore have a slight delay before spawning the mobs, and if everybody is right on the heels of the tank, you can leave these behind. If anyone is a half-second or more behind, then you are looking at fighting everything, all at once -- most likely a wipe unless your healer is god-mode.

[Mysterysword]

2 new stories today! Incoming big chunk of text!

1. Aurum Vale as DRK. No. Dear god almighty, no. The last time I had to tank Aurum Vale still gives me nightmares. But... but the DPS probably had to wait a really long time for their duty, so fine, I resolve to tough it out.

I foresee a slight problem in that the WHM is probably new to healing for the dungeon and perhaps slightly undergeared, in a mix of Dzemael Darkhold gear and the level 45 WHM job quest gear. But hey, nothing we can't overcome. The first time I ever healed AV as WHM, I was similarly geared, and we managed to complete it. Not without severe casualties, but it's definitely possible.

So fine. We can do this. I can do this. And in fact, first room goes fine. I do small pulls, the smallest possible, and we get to Locksmith without any real issues.

... We didn't get past Locksmith. Now, given that I play healer jobs as well, I'm never quick to blame the healer if something goes wrong, but this WHM...

They taught me how a real WHM should DPS! The rotation goes: Pop Presence of Mind + Shroud of Saints (at full MP), then spam Stone II. Cleric Stance? Who needs that useless skill anyway, it's just a waste of time. And who cares if the tank's at half HP after going for 20 seconds without heals? Surely spamming Cure II will bring them back up? What's that? "MP conservation"? Man, stop using these big words on me!

So we wipe. Trying to be polite, I suggest that they focus on keeping my HP up. Apparently, though, there's some kind of language barrier, because "focus on keeping my HP up" somehow translated to them as "Spam Cure on me and completely ignore everyone else. Don't even heal yourself when I'm at full HP and the rest of the party is at half."

Yeah. We wipe again and again. After 15 minutes, we're nowhere close to killing Locksmith. I'm almost ready to vote dismiss this idiot, except they beat me to it... by initiating a vote abandon. I voted against it, because honestly this WHM was the only person who didn't know how to do their job and frankly deserved to be kicked or eat their stupid penalty, but it went through anyway. Those poor DPS who had to requeue all over again.

2. Stone Vigil normal as AST. I admit, my AST is slightly undergeared for Stone Vigil, using a weapon from Qarn, the Battlemage set from Brayflox, and accessories from Cutter's Cry. But I've been able to run Stone Vigil just fine before.

Oh, but not today. Today, I landed in there with a DRK, a DRG, and a BLM, who asks for big pulls. DRK proceeds to run out of range before I can finish casting Protect, pull 2 groups, and plant his ass right in front of the first spot where Koschei drops in and breathes fire on the party.

We wipe because it's been a while since I've had to deal with this kind of stupidity. So fine, DRK starts doing smaller pulls. Except his HP drops like a rock even when he's only tanking 2-3 mobs at a time. If it's 4, it becomes a rollercoaster ride as I spam Essential Dignity and Benefic II, in Lightspeed, just to keep him alive. I eventually have to resort to stacking Aspected Helios and Aspected Benefic on him just to get some breathing room, and even then Benefic II has to be spammed.

To put this in perspective: this is literally the first time I have ever had to spam Benefic II like that to keep a tank alive, and the first time I have ever had to use Aspected Helios, period.

I check their levels. 41 DRK, 15 in GLA, none in MRD, and 52 BRD. Of course. Then I look at their gear.

Now, remember this is Stone Vigil normal. THIS TANK. IS WEARING. FULL STR. ACCESSORIES.

Oh, with the exception of 1 ring. The "Brand-New Ring", which only serves to increase EXP gained for chars under level 30.

So finally near the end of the dungeon, I snap and make a suggestion that they go out and get some vit accessories. I mention nothing of the fact that keeping them alive has been a nightmare and a half for me. Of course this loser doesn't want to.

And after Isgebind is dead? "Pre 50 dungeons aren't hard, learn to cry less"

No, you loser, I'm not crying. My back just hurts from carrying your dumb ass through the dungeon, as well as handling the cannons that the BLM couldn't be arsed to.

[Fluestergras]

I kinda always get paired with premades when running lv60 roulette on BLM. Yesterday I was in Neverreap with a PLD, WHM and SMN - all three from the same FC which is full of Lalafell, making dirty jokes all the time while melting the enemies. Everything went smoothly until the first knockback attack of the final boss which knocks the PLD off the arena, but we all had a good laugh, made more dirty jokes and cleared without any problems.

Today I got Fractal, again with PLD and WHM, the other DPS was another BLM, so we all spent the entire dungeon saying things like "let's make things go BOOOM!!" and "MOAR FIRE IV" while turning the mobs to ashes. Literally. The second boss died even before the second roar, I've never seen this before. Oh, and to answer this question:

A rather odd question.

Has anyone ever had a tank in Fractal attempt to pull EVERYTHING after the first boss all the way to the second boss? Because that's what just happened to me, and now I'm wondering if such a pull is actually possible...

This PLD pulled everything and we made it (with a lot of flames and booms, uwehehehe) - but as I mentioned, I was a pug in a 3-man premade.

So, I'm currently having a really fun time in these roulettes

[FunkYeahDragons]

"Shit, where did he go? I was eating a Poptart." The DF tank experience.

[SpiritMuse]

Fun times in A8. My co-tank starts off by somewhat brusquely saying that since I have grit on I should go tank. Ok then. First Perpetual Ray, I take it to the face, then wait for him to provoke. Except he doesn't, and so of course I die. He tells me to just use cooldowns, insisting it's easier. Alright then. Except, the healers are having a difficult time dealing with all the damage we're taking, and we end up wiping multiple times, with him grumbling about how slow the dps are on the adds. Finally he grudgingly agrees to do the tank swap. With the reduced damage on the tanks, we finally make it to the second phase, where for some reason he insists on stacking the two bosses together. In the end we still hit the enrage though. Throughout the fight he's acting quite rude and elitist, so when people start leaving, so do I. I've better things to do than deal with jerks. I requeue and end up in a different group, that doesn't oneshot it either, but everyone has a good attitude about it and it's a fun run and we get it done in the end.