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  1. #23091
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    Berteaux_Braumegain's Avatar
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    Berteaux Braumegain
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    I had a terrible run of The Aery with sprouts yesterday. I tried to politely explain mechanics, to no avail.

    The GNB would single pull enemies. Not mobs. Enemies. Frequently would he be tanking a single enemy while the rest would go for me due to my using AOEs, or the WHM for trying to heal someone.

    On the second boss, despite my continued mentioning that the boss got damage buffs for all of the poison clouds and even using <se.6> to try and get his attention, the DRG continued to kill the Mustard Gas after it sucked up only one sphere.

    On Nidhogg, the GNB tanked adds right on top of Estinien despite my saying that they should move them elsewhere. The first Sable Price also killed me with no one hitting it despite my pointing out that they instantly kill party members. I had to save the Healer from the second one.
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  2. #23092
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    Katie_Kitty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avitra View Post
    My current favorite recently is gun-ho new tanks/dps that are waaaay overthinking Tam-Tara hard first boss. So many rage quits after one wipe and pull before I can ask if everyone knows the mechanics. Lolol. Somedays I nerdrage. Somedays all I can do is laugh.

    Let the mechanics do the work for you on that first boss. I can heal through alot of dumb, but a debuff 6 deep aint going to save you with medica 2 and cure 2. >.>
    I'm sorry, what? Wipes in tam tara? Mechanics? I don't have a single clue what you're talking about. Just kill the things.
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  3. #23093
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    RokkuEkkusu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    On Nidhogg, the GNB tanked adds right on top of Estinien despite my saying that they should move them elsewhere. The first Sable Price also killed me with no one hitting it despite my pointing out that they instantly kill party members. I had to save the Healer from the second one.
    To be fair, the adds on that phase have rather fickle aggro on Estinien compared to the players. Even if a tank in tank stance manages to generate plenty of aggro compared to the other party members, he/she still might not be able to take aggro of Estinien unless a provoke is used. And then it essentially boils down to whether the healer is attentive enough to heal Estinien.

    I've seen too much situations where people ignore/forget to destroy the Sable Price more than I care to count.
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  4. #23094
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    Callinon Soulforge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    On Nidhogg, the GNB tanked adds right on top of Estinien despite my saying that they should move them elsewhere. The first Sable Price also killed me with no one hitting it despite my pointing out that they instantly kill party members. I had to save the Healer from the second one.
    Those adds have very strict scripts when it comes to where they'll run. The first couple (that spawn on the left and right sides) respond more or less normally to aggro, but the pack of 3 and then the last two dragons pretty much just go for Estinien and there's not a whole lot the tank can do about that. The last one just lands on the guy and starts laying in to him. The onus here is on the party to kill them quickly, not so much the tank to try to peel them off. And then you consider that after the last one dies you only have a few seconds to get under Estinien's bubble, you don't really WANT to end that fight across the room or something.
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  5. #23095
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    Quote Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu View Post
    To be fair, the adds on that phase have rather fickle aggro on Estinien compared to the players. Even if a tank in tank stance manages to generate plenty of aggro compared to the other party members, he/she still might not be able to take aggro of Estinien unless a provoke is used. And then it essentially boils down to whether the healer is attentive enough to heal Estinien.

    I've seen too much situations where people ignore/forget to destroy the Sable Price more than I care to count.
    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    Those adds have very strict scripts when it comes to where they'll run. The first couple (that spawn on the left and right sides) respond more or less normally to aggro, but the pack of 3 and then the last two dragons pretty much just go for Estinien and there's not a whole lot the tank can do about that. The last one just lands on the guy and starts laying in to him. The onus here is on the party to kill them quickly, not so much the tank to try to peel them off. And then you consider that after the last one dies you only have a few seconds to get under Estinien's bubble, you don't really WANT to end that fight across the room or something.
    I suppose. Usually in my experience, the Tanks typically turn the mobs around, though, if not pulling them slightly to the right or left of Estinien.
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  6. #23096
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidalutz View Post
    Why would you use cure 3 and not cure 2 followed up with either a lilly or a regen?

    but yeah next time you get a group like that.. medica swiftcast medica II if they insist on staying in the bad rescue one to safety let the other die slowcast res so the other one you saved gets the point then switch off to the other if they dont.
    The 2 DPS were stacked on top of each other and Medica/Medica 2 would not have sufficed to keep them up taking the full damage of Apocalypse; they both barely survived with Cure 3. All my lilies were already spent at that point using Rapture for the previous Shadow Wreck and on the pre-pull trash mobs leading up to the boss due to how slowly the DPS were killing them, even after Holy Spam; Hell, I even had to benediction the Tank due to having run out of oGCD/lilies and cure 2 spam was losing out, despite Regen also being up.

    It was a train wreck of a run.
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  7. #23097
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    I'm sorry, what? Wipes in tam tara? Mechanics? I don't have a single clue what you're talking about. Just kill the things.
    Hard mode. The one with the archer boss where if you kill the adds, they explode. You have to stack in that fight and let the bosses aoes kill them.
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  8. #23098
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Hard mode. The one with the archer boss where if you kill the adds, they explode. You have to stack in that fight and let the bosses aoes kill them.
    Every time I get that dungeon in roulette, before we even start the trash pulls, I always chat this: "Does anyone need a boss mechanics refresher for this dungeon? Some of them have very weird mechanics." Nine times out of 10 someone says yes please, and once explained someone almost invariably goes, "Oh, so that's how that works. I never really knew." and the dungeon proceeds without any issues.
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  9. #23099
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Hard mode. The one with the archer boss where if you kill the adds, they explode. You have to stack in that fight and let the bosses aoes kill them.
    Probably the only fight where the mechanic is to ignore everything and just dps the boss.
    But I've seen a lot of wipes there because "OMG add spawn! SWEET! More deeps!". Another classic wipe boss is last boss in Haukke when Lady Amandine is instantly absorbed and the boss one-shots the party.
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  10. #23100
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    Ataru Moroboshi
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Probably the only fight where the mechanic is to ignore everything and just dps the boss.
    But I've seen a lot of wipes there because "OMG add spawn! SWEET! More deeps!". Another classic wipe boss is last boss in Haukke when Lady Amandine is instantly absorbed and the boss one-shots the party.
    First boss of Tam-Tara hard mode is NOT one you want to ignore mechanics on. If the adds aren't killed the right way, the boss just wipes everybody with several vulnerability-debuff-stacking AoEs.
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