Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Cincierta]

It is apparently a DDoS, just so you are aware.

Oh I'm aware. I thought I would get lucky this time and stay connected, but nope.mov

[HyoMinPark]

Nobody's new at Bardham's mettle. Even if they used a skip, they need to be shown the door if they can't multipull by then.

You can still be inexperienced to healing at Bardam's. Especially if you are new to this game, because it's not like any other larger pulls up to this point truck tanks the way they used to thanks to repeated nerfs to the content (hello, super pull in Baelsar's Wall). If the healer hadn't healed in a while, there's a thing called rust that has to be removed first. If they were unfamiliar with the job or hadn't played it in a while, the same applies. We don't know this healer's particular situation, but SturmChurro wasn't kind to them, nor were they considerate.

Here's something that happened to me, and why I'm more sympathetic with this healer: I tried healing Holminster on SCH not too long ago, which I hadn't played in at least a year (I think the last time I did anything on it was meme runs of Byakko EX). We wiped due to my own rust and inexperience on the job despite me being able to handle that entire dungeon on WHM and AST (which are both 80). The tank I was with accepted my apology, and we tried the larger pull again, which I did manage to keep them alive through, but they were also willing to slow down if I felt I couldn't keep them alive due to my SCH rust. This is what Churro should have done instead of...whatever it was they did that made the healer leave the duty. We don't know if the healer was newer to healing, inexperienced at SCH, or maybe even returning to it or healing after an absence. But we could have still been considerate. Yeah, they should have had better gear - but advising them about that in the way Churro did is not how you go about helping someone.

As I said before: I'm all for large pulls. But I don't do them if the party cannot handle them or if I have a nervous healer. But I suppose I'm more flexible than some individuals here.

[Mixt]

Just cleared Titania EX about half an hour ago.

Was a close call, one DPS managed to get himself killed by the ice and so went into the add phase with weakness, then another DPS died during the add phase to i don't know what.

We narrowly got through with the bar at 97% charge.

After that though it went pretty smoothly, right up until the end where i and three other people tripped on the finish line.

The boss is under 1% HP, so i'm thinking "HA! Got you now you overgrown pixie!" and tunnel vision, so after dodging one Phantom Rune i completely miss the second Phantom Rune the boss casts immediately after, so i'm all "Take this! Atonement! Atonement! Atoneme-wait where did that AOE come from? ACK Hysteria!" and promptly fall off the edge of the arena, along with three other people.

The boss dies in midfall.

Feeling kinda embarassed now.

[SturmChurro]

You can still be inexperienced to healing at Bardam's. Especially if you are new to this game, because it's not like any other larger pulls up to this point truck tanks the way they used to thanks to repeated nerfs to the content (hello, super pull in Baelsar's Wall). If the healer hadn't healed in a while, there's a thing called rust that has to be removed first. If they were unfamiliar with the job or hadn't played it in a while, the same applies. We don't know this healer's particular situation, but SturmChurro wasn't kind to them, nor were they considerate.

I still don't understand this "kind" thing. I wasn't rude or anything, just telling it how it is. I was joking with the "I only do big pulls", but to be fair, I really do only do big pulls unless the healer REALLY can't handle it or they ask me to stop nicely. I have forced enough large pulls on healers to know that most healers CAN handle them with an assistance of my overusing dcd. They just don't believe in their own abilities. I teach them that they can do it. Also, there was acomment about healers having to heal instead of dpsing when I pull too big? Yeah well, it's either that or they stand still right?! "Healers don't dps"!

You can actually successfully do full pulls even in the ShB dungeons with previous dungeon gear with cycled cd's, pretty easily actually. Generally though, there are a couple areas I do not pull. For example Holminster switch from the two bears to the boss. Most healers, even half decent ones have a lot of trouble keeping a tank up for that pull. I want to do it, but I don't in consideration of the healer. Actually no, that holminster switch pull is the only one I don't pull fully. All f the other ShB dungeons are quite easy to do large pulls on.

[Ardox]

I was stuck in MSQ roulette as a co-tank to one of the meanest tanks I’ve ever encountered. Every 2 seconds he was initiating vote kicks of the party members screaming: you run too slow, your DPS is too low, you’re not healing properly, screaming at the WHM for not dpsing enough.

I jumped in and said we were in this long enough already let’s try to get a long only to be told I’m the “ugly girl in high school nobody liked.” Funny, since I’m an attractive gay male but that is besides the point.

Regardless, it was a horrible experience.

I guess he's wouldn't be able to conceive that a male would have a female avatar in an online game..

When I started playing this game, I had a girl FC mate who hated playing as a male, but was to creeped out by the inane behavior of some misogynistic players

[van_arn]

Not trying to stop you, not in my power to stop you. I and many others are trying to open your eyes to other ways of thinking so that next time you find yourself in a situation instead of berating the healer who might be new or made a mistake you remain calm and give them some advice.

I'm perfectly aware of your perspective, and there was a time I shared it. Unfortunately, I've seen enough people take advantage of that lax attitude and never do more than spam physick at 60 or Netflix their way through every aoe while I picked up healing on paladin. It's disrespectful to the party, and a waste of my time to try to correct through text.

After a certain point of progression, a full relaunch and three expansions later, I no longer accept "I don't read my tooltips" as an excuse past Heavensward -- more than generous.

I do not expect players to be full masters of their job, but both tanking and healing large packs through the nerfed Stormblood content is trivial now for anyone paying attention. And by that point if someone hasn't picked it up, they need to go to a lower dungeon and figure out how to play on their own time. Especially if they only have that level from skips or potd.

I don't agree with exactly how churro handled it, but that's beside the point: shaming a healer that has hasn't learned the basics of their job by the time they hit mettle should be expected. Someone trying to queue into content they can't rightly handle *should* make that player uncomfortable until they learn how to prepare without disrespecting three other people.

And yes, knowing how to multipull is "the basics" now. If your party can't handle it, someone needs to get sent back to a lower dungeon-- be that an underperformer dps, tank, or heals.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Got A9 in raid roulette. Tanks fighting for threat, nobody picking up the generator, healers refusing to heal, half of the rocks getting dropped at the farthest side of the room so nobody could hide properly. Unsurprisingly, five out of eight people immediately dropped after the first wipe. Fun times.

[HyoMinPark]

I still don't understand this "kind" thing. I wasn't rude or anything, just telling it how it is. I was joking with the "I only do big pulls", but to be fair, I really do only do big pulls unless the healer REALLY can't handle it or they ask me to stop nicely. I have forced enough large pulls on healers to know that most healers CAN handle them with an assistance of my overusing dcd. They just don't believe in their own abilities. I teach them that they can do it. Also, there was acomment about healers having to heal instead of dpsing when I pull too big? Yeah well, it's either that or they stand still right?! "Healers don't dps"!

Sorry, but that chat log you posted doesn't come off as a joke to me. As I've said repeatedly, it comes off as rude, regardless of your intention. Particularly with the "Nope I only pull big" and "that was your fault" comments - you come off as someone who isn't willing to adjust with no other context as to your personality. You say you don't "flower up" your words - neither do I. However, I can still find it in me to come across as not snarky (usually, anyways).

Tone and jokes don't translate well over text, which is why you usually see people adding in ":^)" or "/s" to let others know that they are joking or being sarcastic. Sure, perhaps with friends that understand your personality you don't have to do that - I don't, because my friends understand my humor, but I wouldn't expect random strangers to...and neither should you. I only know you from the Forum posts you make, and you didn't come off in a good light to me in that log despite me agreeing with previous posts you have made on here.

The way you went about "teaching" that healer isn't how I would recommend teaching healers that they can do larger/super pulls and step out of their comfort zone a little. From the chat, I don't really think you taught them anything other than you were unwilling to adjust and more than willing to place all blame on them, despite backpedaling later with "I could have been less conservative with my CDs". Perhaps it was their gear, but it also could have been conservative CD usage. I think it would have been better to just share the blame and try again, but that's me.

You can actually successfully do full pulls even in the ShB dungeons with previous dungeon gear with cycled cd's, pretty easily actually. Generally though, there are a couple areas I do not pull. For example Holminster switch from the two bears to the boss. Most healers, even half decent ones have a lot of trouble keeping a tank up for that pull. I want to do it, but I don't in consideration of the healer. Actually no, that holminster switch pull is the only one I don't pull fully. All f the other ShB dungeons are quite easy to do large pulls on.

Yes, I know that most of ShB's dungeons can be mass pulled - I've healed them on WHM and AST, and I've healed Holminster with SCH. With AST, I had to DPS less because AST potencies are god-awful right now, but I've done them all successfully with geared tanks and tanks that aren't that geared (and very squishy). And, on WHM, most of my GCDs were spent on Holy as opposed to heals. Honestly, the larger pulls in Bardam's Mettle and Doma Castle hit harder than anything in the ShB dungeons, from a healing perspective. AT least, in my perspective. They're only more challenging on AST due to potencies, and on SCH because of my own rust on the job (I don't play SCH that often, so I'm the weakest on it compared to the other two).

I've done the pull with the two bears to the boss in Holminster on all three healers and I've tanked it. With tanking, it's far more comfy for me to do on PLD because I just pop Hallowed for it (free invuln for 10s), and rotate with either Rampart or Sentinel and use Sheltron as often as possible for the block afterwards. If I absolutely have to, I Clemency; but that depends on how fast the pull is dying and if I run out of resources. I use the first pull to test if the party can handle it, but sometimes that second pull is hit or miss even with geared healers and DPS. If the DPS aren't AOEing, that doesn't help either of us (I still have to call out DPS for not AOEing that pull - done it at least three times just on PLD). That pull failing, in my experience at least, has been more so from DPS single-targeting, though I have had one WHM that thought they could keep me alive with just Cure I (no Cure II, no Solace, no Tetra or Bene or Asylum - so my Clemencies were actually super necessary there). At least after I told them that Cure I wasn't suitable for larger pulls at this level, they started using Cure II (nothing else really but progress, I guess).

I haven't done it on other tanks. But I've been with GNBs that time Superbolide there, and it's not terrible to heal. I don't think that pull hits harder than anything in Bardam's does, but it can be dicey if you have an inexperienced/rusty healer or if your DPS are single-targeting one of the bears. However, in the case that I would wipe to it, I would probably still ask the healer if they were willing to try again, or if they would prefer me to not pull all the banemites with the bears and dogs. I wouldn't just do it again. Whatever makes it all smoother.


I mostly feel more sympathetic to that healer because of my own recent experience in Holminster on SCH. I've healed Savage and Ultimate fights, but I still failed as a SCH in that dungeon. I'm not a terrible healer by any stretch, but I am inexperienced on SCH compared to the other two. As a result, I'll probably just roll it with friends or use the Trusts instead of unleashing it on the unsuspecting DF (can't go SMN because lol I don't know how to play it past level 50 really - though I am trying to relearn it on an alt at the moment). As I said, we don't know if they were coming back to the job with some rust on them, or returning to healing in general. Or even being relatively fresh to it, because most content up until Bardam's doesn't present the challenge it used to due to being nerfed throughout the expansions and with out-gearing it. I just think you could have handled it far better than you did.

[Cincierta]

Me trying to get back into the servers:

https://photos.google.com/search/_tr...SnZkf9_J1bJXUM

Me: Why don't I fit?

[AlphaFox]

I swear with the attitude some of you have toward people it makes me glad I started off tanking for my FC only as I had huge anxiety taking the lead. Had I gotten people like you when I first started, demanding huge pulls and berating those who don't perform I am positive I would have dropped it right then. If you are doing a pre-formed group for speed runs, sure you can hold the tank to that caliber but not someone in a leveling dungeon, especially when the class starts at 60. You can have all tanks other than GNB to 80 and still do slow pulls first time while you adjust to the new skills.

As it is tanks normally are the missing link to us getting into a dungeon, give them a small break if they are struggling cus I'd rather have a normal run than no run at all. Now if they are being a total butt then yeah out the door, but one who is legitimately asking to take it slow or not stress about maximum pulls then they are fine.