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  1. #22411
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    KaleShibata's Avatar
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    Kyzunro Shibata
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    I'm plenty nice. I just don't buy excuses for people to be a detriment for years.
    I saw an opportunity for a joke and seized it so XD.

    But no there's asking for help and then there's just being bad at your job. mass pulls are a thing sure, but I'm not gonna force people to do em. but that's just me.

    however when you get the healers that try to shift blame or don't warn people they aren't geared enough well. then we have a different problem. and the problem being so many people want to shift the blame off anymore :/
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    Last edited by KaleShibata; 07-26-2019 at 06:32 AM. Reason: English is hard okay?

  2. #22412
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    Skyclaw726's Avatar
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    Tenko Hildegard
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    Sage Lv 92
    Sooo what's your excuse? i'm pretty sure at one point you messed up would you be happy if someone degraded you for making a mistake or daring not to live up to their standards?

    If my healers can't handle the large pulls i simply don't do them, it adds a couple of minutes to the run whoopie-doo instead of a 15 minute run its a 20 minute run...oh no my life is ruined.

    Get over yourself pal, it makes life much easier.
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    Last edited by Skyclaw726; 07-26-2019 at 06:39 AM.

  3. #22413
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    van_arn's Avatar
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    Van Arn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyclaw726 View Post
    Sooo what's your excuse? i'm pretty sure at one point you messed up would you be happy if someone degraded you for making a mistake or daring not to live up to their standards?

    If my healers can't handle the large pulls i simply don't do them, it adds a couple of minutes to the run whoopie-doo instead of a 15 minute run its a 20 minute run...oh no my life is ruined.

    Get over yourself pal, it makes life much easier.
    What makes you think I'd make excuses? At worst I get kicked and try to be better next time or ditch and leave a dumpster party to their own devices.

    I can say every single pull from 60-80 can be multipulled in a hodgepodge of quest and dungeon drops though. Even on a suboptimal tank.

    If the healer is having a problem then they probably need to push buttons. That's the first place to check.
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  4. #22414
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    KaleShibata's Avatar
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    What makes you think I'd make excuses? At worst I get kicked and try to be better next time or ditch and leave a dumpster party to their own devices.

    I can say every single pull from 60-80 can be multipulled in a hodgepodge of quest and dungeon drops though. Even on a suboptimal tank.

    If the healer is having a problem then they probably need to push buttons. That's the first place to check.
    I can back that statement. with the possible exception of certain groups versus certain tank types, every multipull is 100% doable as a healer if you yourself are gear to the point you need to be. I've healed the multipull to the triple faces in bardam's mettle on SCH successfully. and this is on the new system where i get less margin for mp misuse because of the energy drain removal from the class.

    That doesn't quite change the underlying fact it can be said to people much nicer than that. or that you might have to adjust your pull standards from time to time. I warn people, multipulls are a guarentee in SB and higher content. you NEED to get practice in doing them. but the only convinient way is currently (and unfortunately) being dropped in the deep end and told to swim. unless you preparty and plan, you're gonna be doing them about 85% or more of the time. I found that out the fun way running the healing classes myself.

    That said the tank having good management on their end also helps, and having dps that know how to handle it is even better.
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  5. #22415
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    What makes you think I'd make excuses? At worst I get kicked and try to be better next time or ditch and leave a dumpster party to their own devices.

    I can say every single pull from 60-80 can be multipulled in a hodgepodge of quest and dungeon drops though. Even on a suboptimal tank.

    If the healer is having a problem then they probably need to push buttons. That's the first place to check.
    Because they CAN be done doesn't mean everyone can do it or feels comfortable doing so. I will do multipulls when i tank but in Bardams mettle i refuse no matter how good the healer is because i don't feel comfortable pulling wall to wall in that place. In your eyes i am a detriment that's only fit to be degraded and kicked.

    That kind of attitude is what breeds toxicity and kills communities and games.
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  6. #22416
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Yesterday I did Tsukoyomi and there were some new people.
    We died 5mins in. (Where she turns during the fan pattern and turned to like 4 of us with the cone aoe) and killed us.
    So the BLM goes "So has anyone STUDIED beforehand?"
    After that, same BLM died to the same thing, then dies 5 times during the fight.
    We did have a bit of deaths and I managed to LB3 us later on! I left him sitting as the last DPS to rez and
    so did my co-heal for like 3 mins. I picked him up later when I made sure everyone else was ok lol.
    Karma!
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  7. #22417
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    Jubii Io
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    Mateus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I was leveling a DPS and I loaded into a Dohn Mheg in progress. Healer was missing. As we all know healers are relatively hard to come by, so I tell them I'm going to leave and try coming back as one. I do that... but I get put into the wrong Dohn Mheg in progress... Made me feel like I unintentionally abandoned that Tank and that DPS in that other instance. I hope they got another healer in the end. e_______________e
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  8. #22418
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    Jubii Io
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhaill View Post
    Yesterday I did Tsukoyomi and there were some new people.
    We died 5mins in. (Where she turns during the fan pattern and turned to like 4 of us with the cone aoe) and killed us.
    So the BLM goes "So has anyone STUDIED beforehand?"
    After that, same BLM died to the same thing, then dies 5 times during the fight.
    We did have a bit of deaths and I managed to LB3 us later on! I left him sitting as the last DPS to rez and
    so did my co-heal for like 3 mins. I picked him up later when I made sure everyone else was ok lol.
    Karma!
    You both should've left him there to rot. (Kidding)
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  9. #22419
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyclaw726 View Post
    Because they CAN be done doesn't mean everyone can do it or feels comfortable doing so. I will do multipulls when i tank but in Bardams mettle i refuse no matter how good the healer is because i don't feel comfortable pulling wall to wall in that place. In your eyes i am a detriment that's only fit to be degraded and kicked.

    That kind of attitude is what breeds toxicity and kills communities and games.
    I simply don't give a pass to not know what you're doing forever. Mettle is far enough.

    You can dislike it, but you can't stop me.
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  10. #22420
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    WinterTundra's Avatar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Paladin Lv 71
    Was doing one of the new 70 dungeons with my friends, I was playing dps, and my friends were playing the other dps and a tank. Our healer barely healed at all and was pretty much solely focusing on dps, we dodged all the mechanics, etc, to make it easier on the healer, but when we were hit by unavoidable raid wide damage, and the tank was hit by tankbusters, etc, the healer pretty much never healed us, and continued to dps. which led the tank to die, and then us. when we asked the healer to try and heal more, they shot back at us with "I like to dps" and "if you'd like to talk dps numbers" etcetc, like, wtf? I mean, It's great if you can get in some dps as a healer, but your main priority should be to focus on keeping your team alive, instead of letting them die, so you can dps more instead....needless to say, we kicked them after first boss, and got a much better healer in their place, who found out the great mystery of balancing their dps with their heals.
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