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  1. #20911
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    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    That's about the norm. Reminds me of a wreath of snakes farm party I was doing last week, or so. The healers died probably 3-5 times, the DPS was definitely overall low, tanking was all over the place, BUT I died once to a tankbuster or whatever (I was raised immediately, not a lot of downtime) when I went for a positional, and the tank just happened to be standing at the side edge. I was singled out and blamed when we couldn't burn it past enrage, and it was like 8% still. Yeah, I made a mistake, I should have been paying attention, but comon. People will blame everyone but themselves to try to get the pressure off of them, though some people are extremely oblivious. I honestly think some people don't even realize they contributed to a failure, at all.
    Just wanted to say thanks for this.

    I want to vent the story, but all that really happened was I lost aggro on two mobs during an AoE pull. The DPS who got flattened didn't use Lucid, didn't run to me, didn't do anything.

    It really is just something that happens to everyone. It was my first time ever tanking Saint Mocianne's Hard, and I had to learn how to compensate for lag and bad enemy pathing. You know, things that shouldn't be a problem but are, and things you can't learn by watching someone else.
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  2. #20912
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    Jaggerjack's Avatar
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    Geddoe Tenjyu
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    Odin
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    they should remove FF tools and make it ingame.
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  3. #20913
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    Mixt Bell
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    Finally cleared O12s.

    Sure, real late to the game, but better late than never, and at least it was before the new expansion comes out.

    Was a few moments where the extra HP from 15% echo saved our rear ends though, Ion Efflux hits like a truck, and those autos are no joke either.

    Shout out to the awesome team i ran it with, there were a few hiccups, but on the whole we did real good.
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  4. #20914
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    RokkuEkkusu's Avatar
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    Mikeru Takeuchi
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    As a WHM, I was in an O9S farm party that specified the use of the Line Strat in Party Finder. When the time came to use the Line Strat, the BLM apparently didn't know how to do her part. It happened twice in the run. When we did beat the boss 30 minutes later and loot has been rolled on, I left the party immediately.
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    "Break a warrior's body, and he will thirst for vengeance. Break his spirit, and he will clamor for peace. Judge my methods distasteful if you will - but know that I seek to end this conflict, not prolong it." - Yadovv Gah, Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn

  5. #20915
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynesse View Post
    Just wanted to say thanks for this.

    I want to vent the story, but all that really happened was I lost aggro on two mobs during an AoE pull. The DPS who got flattened didn't use Lucid, didn't run to me, didn't do anything.

    It really is just something that happens to everyone. It was my first time ever tanking Saint Mocianne's Hard, and I had to learn how to compensate for lag and bad enemy pathing. You know, things that shouldn't be a problem but are, and things you can't learn by watching someone else.
    You get used to it, I wouldn't worry about it. If a DPS pulls off of you and doesn't run towards you, or use an aggro dump like lucid dreaming - or runs away from you - they deserve to die. Granted, you probably shouldn't have lost aggro on a couple mobs, but it happens, some of the big pulls can be very hectic, and I can say I have had the same thing happen to me when I'm pulling huge mobs.

    I sometimes feel the lag on pulls too, like it feels like I should have grabbed adds, but somehow they just aren't getting hit by my aoe. Worst part is definitely when you miss an add and the healer decides they are going to run away as far as they can!
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 05-26-2019 at 05:47 AM.

  6. #20916
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixt View Post
    Finally cleared O12s.

    Sure, real late to the game, but better late than never, and at least it was before the new expansion comes out.

    Was a few moments where the extra HP from 15% echo saved our rear ends though, Ion Efflux hits like a truck, and those autos are no joke either.

    Shout out to the awesome team i ran it with, there were a few hiccups, but on the whole we did real good.
    Congratulations!
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  7. #20917
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    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    You get used to it, I wouldn't worry about it. If a DPS pulls off of you and doesn't run towards you, or use an aggro dump like lucid dreaming - or runs away from you - they deserve to die. Granted, you probably shouldn't have lost aggro on a couple mobs, but it happens, some of the big pulls can be very hectic, and I can say I have had the same thing happen to me when I'm pulling huge mobs.

    I sometimes feel the lag on pulls too, like it feels like I should have grabbed adds, but somehow they just aren't getting hit by my aoe. Worst part is definitely when you miss an add and the healer decides they are going to run away as far as they can!
    According to the WHM, the DPS in question opened in glorious fashion on a mob that had fallen behind while I was gathering everything up for Flash. It was doomed from the start. I thought I had hit it with Flash, but I must have missed it.

    I could blame myself and say I shouldn't have lost aggro, but that's an oversimplified way of looking at it. I could blame the DPS for bad practice, Total Eclipse for not having an enmity modifier, lag and the servers being across the country and giving me 100 ping, enemy pathing, the fact it was my first time and I need experience, or any number of things.

    The fact is, everyone is trying their best and giving it their all. From Yoshi P. down to me and the DPS. Just that none of us are immune to making mistakes, and all of us end up being victims of one another's mistakes.

    There's always more we can do -- I could have handled it better -- but we have to learn what can go wrong, what our limits are, and identify the exact problem before foresight can really be a thing.
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  8. #20918
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynesse View Post
    According to the WHM, the DPS in question opened in glorious fashion on a mob that had fallen behind while I was gathering everything up for Flash. It was doomed from the start. I thought I had hit it with Flash, but I must have missed it.

    I could blame myself and say I shouldn't have lost aggro, but that's an oversimplified way of looking at it. I could blame the DPS for bad practice, Total Eclipse for not having an enmity modifier, lag and the servers being across the country and giving me 100 ping, enemy pathing, the fact it was my first time and I need experience, or any number of things.

    The fact is, everyone is trying their best and giving it their all. From Yoshi P. down to me and the DPS. Just that none of us are immune to making mistakes, and all of us end up being victims of one another's mistakes.

    There's always more we can do -- I could have handled it better -- but we have to learn what can go wrong, what our limits are, and identify the exact problem before foresight can really be a thing.
    If I was tank and the RDM decided they wanted to solo fight some mob way in the back while I'm pulling, then they can! I'll pick it up after they die. Don't have time to manage a dozen adds AND some guy in the back too.
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    WHM | RDM | DNC

  9. #20919
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    Leona Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    If I was tank and the RDM decided they wanted to solo fight some mob way in the back while I'm pulling, then they can! I'll pick it up after they die. Don't have time to manage a dozen adds AND some guy in the back too.
    Haha, I like you. xP

    I'm chalking it up to that. But I'm going to try my best to make sure a DPS doesn't die like that again. I know exactly what I'm dealing with now, on all fronts, and my biggest hurdle is committing Provoke + Shield Lob to muscle memory. That'll be an easy barrier to overcome.
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  10. #20920
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    If I was tank and the RDM decided they wanted to solo fight some mob way in the back while I'm pulling, then they can! I'll pick it up after they die. Don't have time to manage a dozen adds AND some guy in the back too.
    That wouldn't be me because I know how to use AoE (and lucid), but if it WAS, I think I'd rather face down my opponent one on one and see it through to the end anyway. Then not blame the tank if (if) I died. But one mob I think would usually be fine.
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