Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[DumdogsWorld]

You dodged a bullet, I hope they got a true content respecting healer as a replacement that could barely keep the tank alive.

Coming from another healer, most tanks don't care if you help pull for them-- they only care if someone dies. So keep on keeping on making these tanks uncomfortable as long as you can handle the healing.

Remember rescue can help them get to the adds if they don't want to pick them up.

While this is an MMO and roles are an obvious thing, I'll be the first to admit that party mechanics sometimes get bent a little bit in situations where parties have varying iLvls, character levels, and skill levels. When you stick a completely overgeared healer or DPS into a low level dungeon with a fresh new tank, sometimes you end up with situations where somebody else is the unofficial "off-tank" of the dungeon, even though there is technically only one tank.

It happens. Traditional party behavior is the "formula that always works", but sometimes a little bit of improvisation is acceptable when the party voluntarily agrees to it.

[gumas]

Except apparently at least one to two other people aside from the tank were either fine with the Tanks pace or possibly didn't appreciate the mouthing off when you got snippy right back with the tank in the morning. So when others are fine with the pace even if its slower than you yourself would like just deal.

improvisation is acceptable when the party voluntarily agrees to it.

i agree with this, when 3 out 1 dont mind with normal pull pace, i say "just let it go". it suck when you are the type who prefer large pull, but if the rest of the party has no complain, you cant do anything about it especially they against it after you suggest to do big pulls.

there is always next time anyway, as healer at least our queue is pretty fast right?

[Sanctify]

Instant queues thank goodness. So it's not like it was any skin off my back. Just comical.

[Anarnee]

Happy story time!

I've been a little stressed by IRL stuff and leveling DPS on my alt (I have a goal to get everything to 70 on my secondary character before ShB)

I've been getting a mixed bag of groups and just find myself very frustrated because all the people that know how to do the old content just don't do it anymore... It use to be you queue for a dungeon and people know it. But I suppose it's good that there are a lot of new people... Just seems like they're not really learning a lot of the time and I feel like an alien sometimes when I'm the only one doing mechanics.

And I don't mean little stuff that can be ignored to speed up the run. I mean stuff like people not freezing the spriggans in the second boss of Snowcloak even though it's no ones first run, and the fight taking 20 mins.

I'm leveling PLD right now to give myself a break from the dps stress, cause NO ONE listens to the dps. I have SAM, MNK, MCH, PLD and DRK left.

ANYWAYS. I get Amdapor Keep for my 50/60 roulette, the original Amdapor Keep. It's reeeeally easy, so I am really confident in my ability to tank this well.

My partners are a SCH, and two RDM.

I say hello and I go right in. I run down the hall to the first adds, stun the one that spawns another and then I sprint away down the corridor and to the second dullihan.

I'm a little worried cause I don't think my healer expected me to go so far. Pop hallowed when I'm getting close. Everything dies super fast and I didn't have trouble with aggro. So I decide that I'm gonna keep up the big pulls for the rest of the run.

My HP drops low a lot, but I trust the SCH and Eos, and I don't die.

But by the end I'm thinking, no way I'm getting any comms, I probably stressed them all out.

But I was surprised to be wrong.

;; They all commed me and I got my achievement for 1500 comms on this character now too. Half way to my next parade chocobo.

Thank you team! Ya'll did great and I'm glad I didn't stress you out!!

[Erim-Nelhah]

So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him.

I'd have kicked you too if you had done that in a dungeon I was tanking. This is because you first broke my #1 rule as a tank (don't pull for the tank), and then came back with a snarky reply when asked to not do it again.

Remember, not everyone likes mass pulls, and even those who do may not like doing them in a dungeon they're unfamiliar with.

--Erim

[Aosha]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

Let's see here... Yeah, they definitely could, and maybe should, have been going faster (though, was this the first pull? some tanks like gauging the party with the first pull being intentionally small). Yeah, they were being rude in chat (although what you describe as yourself "politely" saying something wasn't exactly polite either). And yeah, that instant kick was unnecessary.
But also you don't pull for the tank without their consent. As much as I would also have been annoyed by the slow pulling, it's just not something you do.

[ForteNightshade]

Wait, so you were pulling adds for the tank, and you were surprised you got kicked?

To be fair, Xelphtol is laughably easy and the healer wanted to pull more. They even asked but the tank refused to respond. And when asked about not wanting the dungeon to take forever, he more or less said "too bad. I decide if it takes long or not." While you can argue who and who shouldn't pull, I'd welcome the kick, personally. I don't want to waste time with a tank overgeared and pulling just three mobs at a time.

[van_arn]

Let's see here... Yeah, they definitely could, and maybe should, have been going faster (though, was this the first pull? some tanks like gauging the party with the first pull being intentionally small). Yeah, they were being rude in chat (although what you describe as yourself "politely" saying something wasn't exactly polite either). And yeah, that instant kick was unnecessary.
But also you don't pull for the tank without their consent.

You can absolutely help pull for the tank, especially since tanks aren't needed in almost all normal dungeons. What you can't do is let anyone die; basically you need to back up your bravado with action.

Granted, it's perfectly fine for a party that wants to take it slower to kick such a healer. I usually kick this sort of tank first, though.

[SturmChurro]

To be fair, Xelphtol is laughably easy and the healer wanted to pull more. They even asked but the tank refused to respond. And when asked about not wanting the dungeon to take forever, he more or less said "too bad. I decide if it takes long or not." While you can argue who and who shouldn't pull, I'd welcome the kick, personally. I don't want to waste time with a tank overgeared and pulling just three mobs at a time.

Oh don't get me wrong larger pulls are entirely reasonable, I personally do large pulls whether I'm on my alt or main when I tank. However, this person should have really expected a kick for doing that.

Also, to add you would be surprised on how many healers actually can't handle doing simple regular pulls. Literally, and I am talking about low level dungeon REGULAR pulls, not even gigantic pulls.

[FFgame]

The tank should have been kicked for single pulling. I swear when I read these forums it is like a completely different game compared to what I actually play.